With climate scientist Michael Tobis, Plutopians discuss the current state of climate change. We look at the good, the bad, the ugly, and the terrifying aspects of our climate dilemma.

Michael Tobis: You're just starting to get to the point where people are noticing, it's going to get worse. It's going to get more and more obvious. It's going to get more and more difficult. And I would say, like, the dust storm in Springfield is not something I look out for. But droughts and - one year drought and one year flood, five years of drought and five years of flood, that's going to be more common. And that's what really bites, that's what really causes a lot of disruption. So, yeah, I'm not an optimist about either side of this picture. I think it's going to get worse, and I wish we could figure out some way to decide that we're going to stop.