Michelin stared John Bates joins us in the Under Seasoned studio for episode 81. We chat about the places and the dishes that changed everything and inspired Interstellar. We dig into travel, bucket lists, future school, tacos and John’s top 5 barbecue joints today. Buckle up, we go deep.

• State of Texas Barbecue

• The most copied dish in Barbecue

• Most under rated cut

• Trends that need to die

• John’s BBQ dream team