In this episode, we talk with Mick Mulroy about philosopher kings, ethics, and wisdom.

Mick is the co-founder of Lobo Institute, a private firm consulting, advising, and teaching on current and future conflicts. Mulroy is a former United States Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for the Middle East, a retired Central Intelligence Agency Paramilitary Operations Officer, and United States Marine. In addition, he is a Senior Fellow for National Security and Defense Policy at the Middle East Institute, and an ABC News National Security Analyst.

Mick is also on the board of directors at the Grassroots Reconciliation Group, an award-winning nonprofit that works to rehabilitate children that have been forced to fight in the Lord's Resistance Army in East Africa. He is also the co-founder of the Lobo Institute, a group that studies conflicts and how to end them, and the co-founder of the charity End Child Soldiering, that seeks to help rehabilitate former child soldiers worldwide.

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