Like a great magician, the pandemic has drawn our attention away from things that are hiding in plain sight. One of those has been the plight of millions of refugees and migrants who are in refugee camps or trying to escape from war, violence, poverty or other scourges.

In this episode, Myrto Xanthopoulou a consultant on migration issues who recently was on Lesbos, Greece, on a fact finding mission, Mike Niconchuk, neuroscientist and conflict researcher based in the Za'atari refugee camp in Jordan, and Megan Lopéz who heads the International Rescue Committee's work in Latin America describe the realities on the ground.

It’s not pretty.