“Bachelorette” season 15 finalist Mike Johnson joins host Sarah Hearon to recap Matt James’ second episode as the season 25 Bachelor. The discussion includes Matt’s early frontrunners, why Victoria is different from other Bachelor “villains” and how Mike really feels about Matt landing the title of first Black Bachelor over him. (And yes, they address Matt kissing with his eyes open.) Mike also details his new projects and podcast and Sarah breaks down the biggest headlines in Bachelor Nation — including Colton Underwood’s ex Cassie Randolph’s rumored boyfriend’s new song that disses the season 23 lead. (You read that right.)

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