This is episode number 30 of the Mind & Desire podcast, and since you know it's kind of a nice round number, perhaps a bit of a milestone, I put a chat for my Substack subscribers to participate in saying: Hey! What topics do you think would be good for a episode that commemorates the getting to a certain point in the podcast?
And I only had a few takers, but one of them is particularly good. It was from Andrew Parker, who said: “Kindness. Kindness in our interpersonal interactions, educating through kindness, proliferation of kindness through social media.”
So I'm not going to do exactly that, but the topic here will in fact be kindness, and it's connected to some things that I am often thinking about, both in terms of Stoic philosophy and ancient philosophy more generally, and the class that I'm teaching on friendship in ancient philosophy, but also in my ethics classes more broadly.
Because this is indeed a topic that ordinary people would say, well, this is important for ethics. We should be kind, at least in certain circumstances, and there's something wrong if we're not. And then there's some ethicists who will say, well, no, kindness isn't really that important. It's something else instead.
And I also think about reasons why myself personally and other people might hold themselves back from exhibiting kindness in some circumstances where they have the opportunity to do so. What are the obstacles for that?
So the first thing that I want to say, coming back to ancient philosophy, is that people sometimes say: Oh you know - wisdom, justice, temperance, courage - these cardinal virtues not just for the Stoics but also for the Platonists, for the Epicureans. . . I don't understand why you left kindness or some other synonyms for that off the list. This seems kind of an oversight. Is ancient ethics not about being good to other people or only being good in certain ways?
And the answer is: Well no. You actually have to look at what they say in their texts, and you see that they are very interested in kindness. And I'll give you a couple book recommendations.
One of them is by this guy, Seneca, a Stoic philosopher, who's willing to draw on a lot of people. He's got an entire book called On Benefits. And benefits are things that you do for another person, something good that you do to or for them. He wrote an entire work on this in which he stressed how important of a portion of life this is, that our lives would be kind of lacking without other people giving it to us and without us giving it to them.
I'll also mention Marcus Tullius Cicero, who I think all of you know I'm a huge fan of. He has a book called On Duties where he is providing his own interpretation of Stoic ethics. And in the very first book, very early on, he talks about our nature and how the virtues come out of that.
So this is something that's really important for ancient philosophers, and that runs through the Middle Ages, that runs through early modern philosophy, and you just got to know where to look.
So I mentioned there are synonyms being used, and this might help you wrap your head around it a little bit more. So beneficence, when you see people talking about that, or generosity, that's another key thing that's connected to it. Sometimes generosity, by the way, there's an older translation, liberality. If you're reading Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics, older translations will talk about being “liberal”. What that means is actually giving things to other people when they need it, when it's a good thing to do, what we call generosity.
And, you know, we could talk about affection for other people. We could talk about all sorts of other things. Goodwill. These are all, you could say, not exactly the same thing, but like a bundle of closely related dispositions that are connected with actions that we exhibit to other people.
So, Andrew brought up two interesting things, the idea of educating through kindness, and then proliferation of kindness. I do want to say a little bit about both of those. So, we do educate through kindness, and as typically happens when we're educating, we're not just educating about one thing, we're also educating often on a higher level. Saying: this is important. This is something that you should pay attention to. This is something that you should incorporate into your mindset, your life, your character.
So when we are kind to other people and we're doing it to them, we are showing them that we care about them, that we're willing to treat them as a person. We're viewing them as worthy of kindness. And maybe they don't even know that, right? If they've been treated badly by other people, sometimes doing kindness, people could be suspicious. Why are you being so nice to me?
And we also educate ourselves, and maybe we could say more about that some other time. But I think even more importantly, we educate the people who are looking on that: Hey, this is the way to behave. This is how human beings treat each other. And likewise when we're showing, coldness, cruelty, unkindness to other people, we're sending a message to other people as well. It's okay to treat people like this. So I think that's an important aspect.
And then the proliferation of kindness. I don't really see it as connected with social media, although you certainly could try to do that. A lot of people view social media as a realm of unkindness, but I think kindness can proliferate. When you are good to people, that creates a kind of situation of possible openness for them, where maybe they can be more receptive. They can take a chance and be good to other people. Sometimes they pay it forward, as we say. So I think that's an important topic, too.
There's a lot of things that also can get in the way of us being kind. They can make us reluctant or afraid, or there could be other emotions that we feel as well. It's hard to be kind, for example, when we're angry. But there's four that I think a lot of people run into. And some of these can be framed in terms of philosophy.
I mentioned earlier that some ethicists later on in the 20th century, for example, they've actually said: Well, you can't expect people to be kind. Ethics is really about the rules or principles that we can impose on everybody universally. And you can't make people feel a certain thing, because if they don't feel it then you're saying they're a bad person.
Or they'll say: Listen, doing the right thing or justice, following through on moral obligations that's all you can actually expect of people. Kindness is something, as they'll say, supererogatory. Now that's a nice fancy term for, you could say, going above and beyond what is required or expected. But then, a lot of other people have rightly said: Well no, we want a world in which people are kind.
Even Immanuel Kant in his groundwork for the metaphysics of morals says, well, you don't have to be benevolent to other people, but would you actually want to live in a world where nobody's good to anybody else? No, you can't even consistently will that. And we could go on and on from there.
So I think that one of the big obstacles is this: Justice is all you can demand of me. And I think a proper response to that is: Well yeah, you should be just. And there may be some cases where justice is all you can do, but that doesn't rule out being kind, generous, beneficent, caring towards other people, does it? No, they're not contradictory to each other.
And If you want to say that kindness is supererogatory, it goes above and beyond: Well, fine. What's wrong with that? Do you just want to do the bare minimum for people? Or would you like to be the kind of person who does, in fact, go beyond that?
And then a second issue that arises, I think a big concern with people, and I actually saw this come up in my ancient philosophers on friendship class. Well, if we're supposed to be good to other people, won't I be exhausted? You know, I'm a limited being. I have this like obligation to be good to everybody. How am I possibly going to live that out?
And I don't think that you do have to be good to everybody. It's impossible, and expecting the impossible of people is not actually good guidance, or ethics, or counsel, or anything like that. So if you are feeling this demand that somehow you have to give and give and give and give, you might want to actually ask yourself, where does that come from? And is that what genuine kindness actually looks like? Or is that kind of an aberration of it? And do you want to live with that?
A third thing that I think holds people back very often from being kind to others is the fear or the feeling, and it might be based on a good bit of experience, that your kindness that you exhibit will essentially be wasted, that it won't do any real lasting good that it'll just kind of disappear.
So think about if you have somebody who's very, very needy in your life, and you do and you do and you do for them, but they never seem to be satisfied with it. You could very easily say, it kind of doesn't matter what I do in a case like that. They'll never be satisfied. And that would be a reasonable place to say: Okay, I'm probably not going to just keep throwing my kindness down a well in this case, but that's not the norm.
And even if you're kind to a stranger that you'll never see again, or you're kind to somebody as they're dying, right? They're not going to return your kindness in any way. It isn't wasted because as Seneca points out to us in his work On Benefits, the good thing that you're doing, it still is, even if it doesn't land in the right way, even if the person doesn't receive it with the proper spirit, even if they instead actually turn around and bite you or something like that.
And then the fourth thing that I think is really important, particularly in our age where we have all of these people counseling, you have to have a mindset, you have to have a feeling, you have to do this and that. You don't actually have to feel loving or kind or generous or beneficent towards a person to do something good for them to show them a kindness. You don't have to be in a great mood to smile at somebody who you meet.
Now, of course, you don't want to be a complete masked-up faker or something like that. But there's a difference between feeling something and then choosing to do something. A lot of loving another person in a relationship is doing things that are loving to them, even if you're not feeling particularly loving at the time. And I think a lot of people worry about being sort of hypocrites. But if you weigh on the one hand your worries and feelings about this and on the other hand the good, however limited, that you're doing by being kind to another person, well, I think that your worries probably should take a back seat in that case.
So I think these are definitely not the only issues or worries or concerns that people have about kindness that might get in the way. But I think those are four big ones. And so if you're running into those, maybe this helps people. motivate you, get over the obstacle or the hump that they've placed in the way. It is really important to be kind.
There are many different ways we can be kind. A lot of it is placed in our own hands and our own judgment and discretion about how we want to be kind, when we want to be kind, in what ways we want to be kind. And even if the other person doesn't reciprocate or notice or even turns around and throws it back in our face, you've still done a good thing by being kind to them.
I'll leave off there, celebrate with me this 30th episode. We got a lot more to come, hopefully down the line. And thanks to Andrew Parker for his own little beneficence in giving me a great topic to sink my teeth into and hopefully convey a little bit of wisdom, not coming from me, but from mostly ancient philosophers who have a lot to teach us on the topic.
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