Nathan and David explore the false dichotomy that succeeding at work means failing at home, and vice versa. They explore the radical idea that you can be a good leader AND a good dad, making mistakes but finding redemption.

Often, parents want their kids to grow up to be "successful and happy." But as these goals prove elusive, we wonder if there's a better path. Nathan and David look to the Bible for inspiration on which goals to set for their children.

A quick check-in with David about nighttime diaper changes, followed by an honest interview about the mistakes Nathan makes, according to his 13 year old son.

Five days after the birth of his son, David basks in revelatory joy and peace while Nathan gives a few unsolicited "dad speeches" about what to anticipate in the years to come.

In which Nathan's dad (Jim Hart) opens up about his own childhood experience of being raised to be "perfect" and the unhealthy path it led to.

David's father, Pastor Scott Borden, surprises us by how he answers the question, "What was it like to raise David?" After that, the interview goes very, very deep!

In which Nathan and David discuss the origin story of Mistakes Dads Make, using vulnerability as an unlikely tool in fatherhood, and David's hopes and fears about becoming a dad in a few week.

• Sound editing by Scott Sawala
• Cover art by Paul Hart