In this interview segment, Mike and John interview Shaun Lamb about strategies for how best to design applications so they are "secure by default" and have fewer incidents and vulnerabilities, How DevOps or DevSecOps positively changes the relationship between security and development/operations including: the application design process, security testing, and security education programs, and the security impact of applications moving to a microservices-based architecture running on Docker/Kubernetes and the role of an API Gateway.

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