For this episode, Dr. Joe Tafur and Natasha Pentin spoke with Tania de Jong AM, an award-winning social entrepreneur, acclaimed soprano, inspirational speaker and storyteller, creative alchemist, philanthropist and spiritual journey woman.

Many of our listeners wanted to learn more about the power of music for healing and the neuroscience of singing together, so in this episode we explore all of that – as well as the rescheduling of psychedelic medicines in Australia, building an ecosystem for accessible and affordable treatment, how therapists become authorized prescribers, and what other countries can learn from this pioneering approach.

Tania was appointed a Member of the Order of Australia, and has also been named in the 100 Women of Influence, 100 Most Influential Entrepreneurs in Australia, and 100 Most Influential People in Psychedelics globally. She has developed six businesses and four charities including: Creative Universe, Creativity Australia and the With One Voice program, Creative Innovation Global, Mind Medicine Australia, Umbrella Foundation and Driftwood The Musical, Pot-Pourri and The Song Room.

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Timestamps: 
(00:00) Introduction to Tania de Jong AM

(03:25) Tania's Journey into Psychedelics

(06:52) Life-Changing Experiences with Psilocybin

(08:19) Founding a Charity for Psychedelic Treatments

(09:34) Australia Becomes First Country in the World to Reschedule Psilocybin and MDMA

(12:10) Communicating Through Skepticism & Taboo

(17:59) Training Therapists for Psychedelic Therapy

(22:32) How Psychedelic Treatments Currently Work in Australia

(25:27) Costs, Funding, Insurance & Access to Treatments 

(29:21) The Power of Music in Healing

(33:44) Ethics and Overmedication in the Modern World

(37:29) Healing Together Through Voice, Community & Reciprocity

(41:07) The Neuroscience of Singing Together

(43:49) Music and Visionary Experiences

(47:23) Integrating Music into Healing Practices 

(51:07) Upcoming Projects and Final Thoughts

Dr. Joe Tafur and Natasha Pentin spoke with Edward James, Ph.D., and Joachim Keppler, Ph.D. Edward brings expertise across pharmacology, psychedelic compounds, and biochemistry. Joachim is a quantum field theory physicist, devoted to the study of consciousness and uncovering its fundamental mechanisms. With their colleagues, they published a paper together in 2022 about DMT, ayahuasca plant medicine, and human consciousness.

We had many messages asking for an episode about quantum physics…so here it is!

We discuss two different theories of consciousness: the biological processes model that is explained by biological or neurophysiological processes versus the idea that the universe is pervaded by an ubiquitous field of consciousness (which corresponds with the laws of physics). In other words, viewing the brain as a filter, and that it can somehow couple with the larger consciousness.

Edward and Joachim explain how related work may eventually lead to further understanding of the therapeutic benefits of psychedelic medicines.

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For more information about Edward and Joachim:
• Their article on N,N-dimethyltryptamine and Amazonian ayahuasca plant medicine
• DIWISS Research Institute: https://www.diwiss.de/

(00:00) Introduction 
(01:35) Meet Edward James and Joachim Keppler
(03:19) Early Experiences with Psychedelics
(04:53) Ed’s Academic Pursuits and Psychedelic Research
(06:39) DMT Hallucinations or Perception & Limits of Explanation 
(09:08) Quantum Physics and Conscious Processes
(11:52) Field Models of Consciousness
(18:28) Interaction of Zero-Point Field and the Brain
(25:03) Psychedelics & Coupling to the Field 
(29:46) Plant Spirits, Ayahuasca & Leaving Imprints in the Field 
(41:13) These “Mystical” Experiences and Mental Health Benefits
(44:09) Broadening Definitions of “Mystical” Experiences
(48:07) Universal Spirituality and Healing
(51:57) Bridging Modern Healthcare and Amazonian Practices
(57:22) Conclusion and Examples of Knowledge Exchange

Dr. Joe Tafur and Natasha Pentin sat down with Roman Palitsky M.Div. PhD., Director of Research Projects for Emory Spiritual Health. He’s also Assistant Professor in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Science and faculty in the Emory Center for Psychedelics and Spirituality.

We discuss Spiritual, Existential, Religious, and Theological (SERT) experiences around psychedelics, how some religious people understand and experience psychedelics (the Mosaic Initiative), spiritual health practitioners and chaplains, post-psychedelic challenges, and more. 

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More information about Roman: 

Timestamps: 
(00:00) Modern Spirit Intro

(01:19) Guest Introduction: Roman Palitsky

(02:28) MAPS 2023 & Meeting at Berkeley Program

(05:03) Science on Spiritual Health (SOS) Conference

(07:16) Understanding SERT

(13:14) Spirituality and Psychedelics

(22:10) Challenging Spiritual & Religious Dynamics 

(30:52) Measurement-Based Care

(32:36) The Mosaic Initiative - Religious Perspectives on Psychedelic Experiences

(35:20) Exploring Psychedelic Use in the Jewish Community

(37:47) Addressing Post-Psychedelic Challenges

(41:00) The Role of Spiritual Health Practitioners & Chaplains

(49:31) End-of-Life and Psychedelics

(54:50) Alternative Paths to Altered States

Dr. Joe Tafur and Natasha Pentin spoke with Canadian adult and pediatric neurologist Dr. Evan Cole Lewis to explore how epilepsy, trauma, and brain networks intertwine. We discuss pediatric epilepsy, cannabis for seizures, Functional Neurological Disorders (FND), and emerging psychedelic-assisted therapy treatments. Dr. Lewis talks about the differences between structural brain injury and brain “software” disruption, shining light on the world of trauma-based neurological symptoms.

Dr. Lewis holds a clinical appointment as Adjunct Assistant Professor in the Department of Pediatrics at the Hospital for Sick Children and at the University of Toronto. Currently practicing at North Toronto Neurology and Homeward Therapy, Dr. Lewis focuses on epilepsy, brain injury, concussion and post-concussion symptoms, functional neurological disorders, and the therapeutic use of cannabis and psychedelics in these conditions.

Disclaimer: The content of this podcast is presented for informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Listeners are strongly advised to consult with a licensed physician or other qualified healthcare provider for any health concerns or before making any changes to their medical care, including considering or using any substances mentioned herein. The experiences described are personal and may not be applicable or safe for everyone.

You can see more of Dr. Lewis’s work here: 

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Timestamps: 

(00:00) Introduction and Dr. Lewis’s Background

(01:57) WeCann Conference Meeting

(04:16) Cannabis for Pediatric Epilepsy

(05:47) Success Stories with Cannabis

(9:30) Harm-Reduction Approach & Opening a Clinic

(12:40) Medication for Different Types of Seizures 

(15:33) Psychedelics Treatment & Brain Networks

(18:58) Functional Neurological Disorders (FND) & Non-Epileptic Seizures 

(22:19) The Brain’s Structure vs Software 

(23:44) Diagnosing FND

(29:19) Concussion and FND

(33:55) Psychedelics and Brain Network Disruption

(36:01) FND Also Rooted in Trauma Rather Than Physical Injury

(39:44) Bridging Neurology and Psychology

(45:08) Challenges and Risks of Psychedelic Treatments

(54:54) Importance of Medical Education in Psychedelics

(01:01:57) Future Projects and Research Initiatives

Natasha Pentin is joined by Dr. Joe Tafur himself and Xochi Bucuru. Dr. Tafur is a Colombo-American integrative physician, traditionally trained spiritual healer (Ayahuasquero), and highly acclaimed author. Xochi is a Colombian traditional healer (Yagecera), educator, and promoter of Indigenous community projects. 

They discuss supporting Indigenous traditions, navigating the learning curve of ancestral healing, advice for finding respectful plant medicine ceremonies, the power of music, discernment, upcoming projects, and more.

Disclaimer: The content of this podcast is presented for informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Listeners are strongly advised to consult with a licensed physician or other qualified healthcare provider for any health concerns or before making any changes to their medical care, including considering or using any substances mentioned herein. The experiences described are personal and may not be applicable or safe for everyone.

Modern Spirit Website: https://www.modernspirit.org/ 

Joe’s books: 

Timestamps: 

(00:00) Introduction to the Modern Spirit Podcast

(00:47) Introducing the Guests: Dr. Joe Tafur & Xochi Bucuru

(02:15) How Joe & Xochi Met

(04:17) Elevating Indigenous Voices

(06:37) Combining Science and Spirit

(09:10) Yagé Used As Medicine

(10:32) The Influence of Many Teachers

(11:56) Combining Traditions in Ceremony

(19:45) The Power of Music in Healing 

(25:50) Unlocking Your Natural Healing Intelligence 

(30:50) Discernment & Interpreting Messages

(36:04) Finding Safe Spiritual Experiences 

(38:55) Building Genuine Relationships 

(42:54) Conserving Traditional Knowledge & Social Mobility 

(50:22) Xochi’s Upcoming Projects 

(53:22) Overcoming Stereotypes 

(55:14) How to Hear More 

(56:47) Seeking Donations for Scholarships 

Modern Spirit Podcast hosted by Dr. Joe Tafur & Natasha Pentin. 

Great interview with my friends and colleagues, Ray and Amalia Baca. Together we started the Ocotillo Center for Integrative Medicine, which continues to evolve. Raymond Alonzo “Two Bears” Baca describes himself as a Christian Taoist, walking the Red Road. I call him a Medicine Man and a Breathworker. Amalia Baca obtained her doctorate’s from the Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine & Health Sciences in Tempe, Arizona. Dr. Baca has developed a strong passion for providing medical care to families, using advanced medical technologies as well as traditional & indigenous healing methods. Together their experiences with sacred ceremony, with & without entheogens, have blessed them with opportunities to help others with their healing work and post-integration. Breathwork has become a big part of that integration, and in this episode, they share their expertise with our audience. Enjoy this profound episode!

Wonderful discussion with my old friend, research and spiritual mentor Dr. Paul Mills.
Paul J. Mills was Professor of Family Medicine and Public Health and Director of the Center of Excellence for Research and Training in Integrative Health.
He was also Chief of the UC San Diego Behavioral Medicine Division, Director of the UC San Diego Clinical Research Biomarker Laboratory, and Co-director of the UC San Diego Clinical and Translational Research Institute’s Translational Research Technology (TRT) Program.
He is currently serving as Director of Research for the Chopra Foundation.

He has expertise in Integrative Medicine, Traditional Medical systems, and psychoneuroimmune processes in wellness and disease, publishing numerous manuscripts and book chapters on these topics.
Dr. Paul Mills has been an inspirational figure in many lives, we look back on his career and forward to his continued work bridging the spiritual and the scientific. Enjoy.
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Great interview with my old friend and Modern Spirit Board Member Dr. Shamini Jain PhD.
Dr. Shamini Jain is the Founder and CEO of the Consciousness and Healing Initiative (CHI), a collaborative accelerator that facilitates the transdisciplinary science and real-world application of consciousness and healing practices. As a clinical psychologist, as well as a research scientist in the fields of psychoneuroimmunology (PNI) and integrative medicine for over a decade, Shamini formed CHI through a deep understanding that major systemic transformations, which will place healing at the center of medicine and scientific inquiry, will most rapidly occur through a networked approach that fosters collaboration and innovation among key stakeholders.
Rennaissance woman Shamini Jain guides us into her fascinating work with CHI and the world of evidence-based biofield therapies…helping us to understand how energy healing techniques are finding their way back into modern healthcare. Always a joy to talk with Shamini, please join us.

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Thought-provoking interview with my friend and colleague educator and researcher Ronan Hallowell M.A., Ed.D. Ronan is Assistant Professor of Clinical Medical Education at the USC School of Medicine. As a member of the Learning Sciences Team in the Department of Medical Education at Keck, he works with colleagues to provide a suite of curriculum and instruction services to faculty and administrators that includes instructional design and faculty development. He currently serves as a Co-Investigator on a digital health literacy grant funded by the AMA as part of its Accelerating Change in Medical Education initiative. Dr. Hallowell also conducts research on physician professional identity formation, curriculum design and cross-cultural perspectives on medicine. He is a student of the world’s wisdom traditions and a ceremonial singer in the Lakota Native American tradition.
We explore the hot topics of structural racism and cultural competency, and how do we prepare the next generation of healthcare providers to be more sophisticated with these topics. How can indigenous wisdom guide us into a deeper compassion?

Learn more at modernspirit.org.