Portland hopes a new program will help break a vicious cycle -- where homeless camps pop up, are swept away, only to reappear again in the same place. Molly Harbarger, The Oregonian's homelessness reporter, talks about that program and the recent report documenting how any people experiencing homelessness died in 2018. We also chatted about my recent column regarding the inner struggle over whether to call the police or the emergency line on issues surrounding people experiencing homelessness.

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