Bhante Sujato. Meditation on the breath. Dhamma talk on Saccaka who argued with the Buddha in MN35 Shorter Discourse with Saccaka from the sixth stanza of the Jaya-maṅgala Gāthā. Saccaka as an early 'troll' figure. MN35's elaboration of the argument in the cardinal sutta Characteristic on Non-self that having a self implies control.