What would happen if kings and rulers claimed authority over popes, and popes claimed authority over kings and rulers? Well, it did happen, and it was quite a mess! Join our hosts, Lucy, Sophia, and Grace, as they explore this tumultuous time in the Middle Ages with Mike Corradi, host of the popular History of Italy podcast. (And learn an Italian word you may or may not already know.)

Thanks to the generosity of our friends at Reformation Heritage Books, we are pleased to offer two copies of Simonetta Carr's book on Anselm of Canterbury to our listeners . Enter here for an opportunity to win.

Mike's Podcast: https://ahistoryofitaly.com/

More information about Matilda being buried at St. Paul's Basilica: http://stpetersbasilica.info/Monuments/MatildaofCanossa/MatildaofCanossa.htm

Here are two podcasts recommended by our guest, Mike Corradi:

• Pontifacts: https://pontifacts.podbean.com/