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  • Danny Davis on How to Turn Sermons Into Books and Multiple Streams of Income (Part 2)

    I know those big name pastors can turn their sermons into books and sell tons of copies. But can any pastor do that, and actually make money as an author? Missionary and author Danny Davis says yes you can! And he'll share his pathway to profits as a self-published author, while serving as a missionary in East Africa, in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.

    Links for Today's Show

    • Danny Davis' New Book: The Way of the Shepherd: From Anxiety to Assurance: Embracing the Timeless Wisdom of Psalm 23
    • Danny Davis' Website: www.equippedservant.com
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    28 min
  • Danny Davis on Following "The Way of the Shepherd" in Ministry, Writing, and Providing (Part 1)

    Is it really possible for pastors to create income outside the church - even if you're a missionary serving in East Africa? We'll talk about that with special guest Dr. Danny Davis, and we'll discuss his new book, The Way of the Shepherd: From Anxiety to Assurance: Embracing the Timeless Wisdom of Psalm 23, in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.

    In this conversation...

    • Danny and I talk about his 30+ years in ministry as a pastor, church planter, missionary, and equipper, and how he began to leverage his ministry experience into books and other resources that inspire and bless others and generate multiple streams of income.
    • I also ask Danny why he feels strongly about pastors creating income outside the church. His answer might surprise you.
    • He takes us into the backstory behind his new book, The Way of the Shepherd: From Anxiety to Assurance: Embracing the Timeless Wisdom of Psalm 23. And we explore why the message of Psalm 23 is needed in the church, and in our world, now more than ever.

    And FYI, in the next episode, part 2 of our conversation, Danny shares valuable insights he's learned on his journey as a self-published author, and how any pastor can create sustainable income as writer. You won't want to miss it!

    Links for Today's Show

    • Danny Davis' New Book: The Way of the Shepherd: From Anxiety to Assurance: Embracing the Timeless Wisdom of Psalm 23
    • Danny Davis' Website: www.equippedservant.com
    • Platform Launchers: Online Business Blueprint
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    44 min
  • Seamless: A Conversation on Spiritual Gifts, Covocational Pastors, and Multi-Ethnic Church Planting with Chase Rashad

    How does your view of spiritual gifts - and what they're really for - impact your health and longevity as a pastor, especially if you're co-vocational, and help your church become more sustainable in accomplishing the mission God has given it? We'll talk about that with special guest Chase Rashad in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.

    Links for Today's Show

    • Blog post/show notes for this episode with Chase Rashad
    • Chase Rashad's Book: Seamless: What Your Spiritual Gifts are Really For
    • Chase Rashad's Website: www.UnisonGR.com
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    I'm so excited to have my friend Chase Rashad on the show today. Chase and I served together back about 10 years ago with Kentwood Community Church, a large multi-ethnic church located in suburban Grand Rapids, Michigan. In 2013 we had the privilege of launching the church's first multi-site campus.

    Two years later, in 2015, Chase went on to launch Unison Christian Church, a multi-ethnic church in urban Grand Rapids. In addition to serving as lead pastor at Unison, Chase is a gifted musician as well as a racial equity coach for many schools, churches, and businesses. 

    In this conversation...

    • Chase and I talk about planting churches in a multi-ethnic context.
    • I ask Chase about his journey as a co-vocational pastor, including a question he's never been asked or thought about before.
    • And we discuss his new book, Seamless: What Your Spiritual Gifts are Really For, exploring the background on why he wrote the book (his answer may surprise you), what the church has often gotten wrong about spiritual gifts, and how a proper understanding of spiritual gifts is needed today more than ever amidst a rapidly changing church landscape.
    • And lots more!

    And now let's get to our conversation with Chase Rashad.

    59 min
  • Is John Wesley's Encouragement to "Make All You Can, Save All You Can, and Give All You Can" Good Advice for Pastors Today?

    Is John Wesley’s Encouragement to “Make all you can, Save all you can, and Give all you can” Good Advice for Pastors Today? We’ll talk about that in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Let’s get started!

    Hello my friend. Welcome to the More Than a Pastor Show. I’m Rich Avery, your host. This is the show where we help pastors, missionaries, and other ministry leaders grow your income and build financial security.

    We help you take your skills, experience, and ministry know-how and leverage them into sustainable income outside of the church, through a business or side hustle that’s right for you. So you can serve God and provide for your family, no matter what.

     Links for Today's Show

    • Blog Post for This Episode: Episode 68
    • My Last Post: How God Can Turn Income Obstacles into Boundless Opportunities 
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    20 min
  • Wayne Richards on How God Can Turn Income Obstacles into Boundless Opportunities

    If your church or ministry could no longer afford to pay your salary, and you had to find a way to earn income outside the church, would that feel like a major disappointment and personal failure to you? 

    What if, instead, it’s a God-ordained opportunity to use your skills in new ways to impact people you wouldn’t otherwise meet and provide a financial blessing for your family?

    Today we’ll hear Wayne Richards’ story of how he experienced a 70% decrease in income and how God transformed that loss into amazing new ministry and financial opportunities. 

    And we’ll learn how Wayne helps churches and ministries raise funds for missionaries and ministry projects through buying, renovating, and flipping houses, in this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show. Let’s get started.

    Hello my friend. Welcome to the More Than a Pastor Show. I’m Rich Avery, your host. This is the show where we help pastors, missionaries, and other ministry leaders grow your income and build financial security. We help you take your skills, experience, and ministry know-how and leverage them into sustainable income outside of the church, through a business or side hustle that’s right for you. So you can serve God and provide for your family, no matter what.

    Get the blog post/show notes at www.morethanapastor.com/67

    1 hr 2 min
  • Helping Pastors Find More Freedom and Fulfillment - A Tribute to Dan Miller of 48 Days

    42% of pastors considered quitting in the past year, according to a 2022 Barna report. Are you one of them?

    In this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show, we’ll look at five common issues that leave pastors feeling unsatisfied, and explore meaningful ways to find more fulfillment.

    We'll also pay tribute to my friend and mentor Dan Miller, who has guided many pastors through this process.

    Hello my friend. Welcome to the More Than a Pastor Show. I’m Rich Avery, your host. This is the show where we help pastors, missionaries, and other ministry leaders grow your income and build financial security. 

    We help you take your skills, experience, and ministry know-how and leverage them into sustainable income outside of the church, through a business or side hustle that’s right for you. So you can serve God and provide for your family, no matter what. 

    Thanks for joining me today, I really appreciate the time we can spend together. And If you’re new to the show, you can learn more about me, get the show notes for today’s episode, and download some free resources to help you grow your income and build financial security over at my website: www. morethanapastor.com/66 for episode 66.

    47 min
  • How a Middle Class Couple Gave Away $1 Million by Age 40, and Lessons to Inspire Generosity in Your Church, With Bob Lotich


    What if God asked you to give away your age as a percentage of income, and continue to increase it 1% a year for the rest of your life...what would you do?  Today we'll hear the amazing story of one couple's journey of radical generosity and lessons you can learn to inspire generosity in your church. In this episode of the More Than a Pastor Show.  Let's get started!

    Links From Today's Show

    • Get the Blog Post/Show Notes from Today's Episode
    • Bob's Website: Seedtime.com
    • Free Access to "True Financial Freedom"
    • My Latest Post: Ben Ingebretson on How to Plant Like Jesus
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    1 hr 6 min
  • Plant Like Jesus: Missional Ministry and Marketplace Engagement with Ben Ingebretson

    There is no shortage of tools, methods or strategies for church planting and growth. But what if the best strategy for sharing the message of Jesus in a post-Christian era is to actually follow the methods of Jesus?

    We’ll dive into Jesus’ methods for missional ministry and marketplace engagement with our guest Ben Ingebretson, author of Plant Like Jesus: The Church Planter's Devotional, in this episode of the More than a Pastor Show. Let’s get started!

    Links for Today's Show

    • Show Notes/Blog Post for This Episode
    • Ben's Website: BING Consulting
    • My Latest Post on Pastoral Identity and the Future of Ministry
    • Want to Support the Show? Buy Me a Coffee!

    Wondering How You Could Future-Proof Your Church Finances?

    Feeling the weight of financial concerns for your church? Wondering how you could ignite a culture of generosity in your congregation? Feeling like it's time to explore alternative revenue options? Know that you're not alone! We're here to support you every step of the way.

    We're offering individual and group coaching programs to help you unlock the strategies that are right for you and your church, so you can diversify your revenue streams, foster a growing culture of generosity, and navigate today's church funding challenges with confidence.

    Don't let financial challenges hinder your ministry's impact or jeopardize your personal livelihood. Take the first step towards financial resilience and sustainability today, and book your free 30-minute strategy session.

    45 min
  • Leading Beyond the Pulpit: Pastoral Identity and the Future of Ministry with Gary Underwood

     What happens to your sense of identity and calling as a pastor when everything changes? You entered the ministry years ago with a certain set of expectations of what the church is and what your role is in it, only to find them challenged by continually changing circumstances.

    We’ll talk about pastoral identity and the future of ministry, and how you can stay adaptable and on-mission in the midst of change, in this episode of the More than a Pastor Show. Let’s get started!

    Links for Today's Show

    • Gary Underwood's "Hoops and Cards" Podcast
    • Emerge Counseling Ministries
    • My Latest Post on the Best Way to Make Money Quickly: Provide a Service of Value
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    1 hr
  • From Crisis to Sustainability: Revitalizing Church Finances in 'The Great Dechurching' Era

    We are living in an era called "The Great Dechurching" of America. Millions are leaving churches each year, for various reasons which we've covered in previous episodes. Since attendance has been inextricably linked to income for most churches, it's not a stretch to see how "The Great Dechurching" of America will inevitably lead to "The Great Defunding" of the church. The math is simple: Declining attendance + declining giving + rising expenses due to inflation = an unsustainable situation for many churches. Probably even yours. And maybe you're wondering...In the midst of all this uncertainty...
    Is there anything pastors can do to revitalize your church's finances and future-proof your own personal income? I believe the answer to that question is Yes! And in this episode of The More Than a Pastor Show, we'll explore strategies to help pastors grow your income and secure your financial future - both inside and outside the church.

    Links for Today's Show

    • Blog Post for this Episode: https://www.morethanapastor.com/blog/from-crisis-to-sustainability-revitalizing-church-finances-in-the-great-dechurching-era
    • Watch this Episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/d1g-Rp7tLDE
    • Free PDF: How to Know if Starting a Business is Right for You
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    29 min

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