It is well-documented that the polycrisis is intensifying across scales. It’s also well-documented that humanity is not doing nearly enough to preserve the habitability of our planet. It will be demanded of us to engage in extensive mitigation in order to rise to the stakes of this crisis, but mitigation alone isn’t enough. We also have to adapt—in ways across the scales of micro to macro, from a renewed meaning of what we mean when we talk about “the good life” for ourselves, to an overhaul in our collective practices and policies.

Earlier this year, today’s guests, Morgan Phillips and Manda Scott—along with former Urgent Futures guest Rupert Read—published an incredible book called Transformative Adaptation: Another world is still just possible, a quick read faces this reality head on. It is a clear guide to the array of transformations that we humans necessarily must undertake if we’re going to make it.

The book has been wisely picked up for distribution in the US by Penguin Random House, and is out with all US booksellers now, so these two graciously agreed to sit down for a sort of companion episode to Rupert’s. Given the subject, there’s inevitably some overlap in the conversations, but by and large I see them as complementary, foregrounding Manda’s and Morgan’s respective viewpoints and experiences, for a conversation that gets into everything from relocalization and regenerative agriculture to how folks who get the gravity of the crisis can meaningfully engage with their own confusion, grief, and rage toward healing ends.

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