Mormon Stories Podcast

Please join us now as we interview Neville Rochow QC. Neville has served as an LDS Bishop, and in LDS Church Stake Presidencies and Mission Presidencies. Having served at the highest levels of the Mormon church in Australia, and being a truly delightful human, we believe that you will thoroughly enjoy this interview.

Show Notes:

• Mormon Stories interview with Tom Phillips
• A Marvelous Work and a Wonder by LeGrand Richards
• Doctrines of Salvation Volume 3, by Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954
• Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought
• Mormon Stories interview with Randy Bell
• No Man Knows My History by Fawn Brodie
• Time's Arrow by Martin Amis
• The Lord's Way by Dallin H. Oaks
• An Insider's View of Mormon Origins by Grant Palmer
• Justice: What's the Right Thing to Do? by Michael Sandel
• "The Love and Laws of God," September 2019 address at BYU, in which Russell M. Nelson claims to have pleaded with God to reverse the 2015 LGBT exclusion policy
• "Defending Our Divinely Inspired Constitution," Dallin Oaks, April 2021 General Conference
• Losing a Lost Tribe: Native Americans, DNA, and the Mormon Church by Simon Southerton

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After two amazing episodes exploring Randy Bell’s journey from Mormonism to Progressive Christianity, we invited the host of Marriage on a Tightrope podcast and outspoken atheist Allan Mount on for a respectful discussion about epistemology, anti-theism, death, and much more!

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Show Notes:

• "What God, Quantum Mechanics, and Consciousness Have in Common," by John Horgan, Scientific American, August 14, 2021
• The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief by Francis Collins
• How to Have Impossible Conversations: A Very Practical Guide by Peter Boghossian
• "Bridging the Divide: A Scientist's Search for Faith and Truth," Up First by NPR, January 23, 2021
• The Science of Near-Death Experiences by John C. Hagan
• Allan Mount TikTok
• Allan Mount Instagram
• Marriage on a Tightrope with Allan and Kattie Mount
• Marriage on a Tightrope Facebook Community
• Find an LGBTQ+-Affirming Church
• Randy Bell's research papers referenced in the episode:
  • "The Scientific Method and the Valuation Process," The Bureau of National Affairs, 2016 
  • "Real Estate Research Methods," The Appraisal Journal, 2015 
  • "Where Art Meets Science Statistics," Valuation Strategies, 2016 
  • "Junk Science Versus the Scientific Method," Bloomberg BNA, 2017 
  • "Basic Due Diligence," Environmental Claims Journal, 2001

In part 2 of Randy Bell’s Mormon Story, we dive into Randy’s faith post-Mormonism, his experiences with people of other religions around the world including Hindus, Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Among some of the topics we cover are his reasons for becoming a non-denominational Christian, feelings vs science, and the common ground we share.

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Show Notes:

• The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blind_Watchmaker
• The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins: https://www.amazon.com/God-Delusion-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0618918248
• Axis agnostic/gnostic and theism/atheism https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-easiest-way-to-explain-agnostic-gnostic-and-theism-atheism
• Bart Ehrman - Misquoting Jesus:https://www.amazon.com/Misquoting-Jesus-Story-Behind-Changed/dp/0060859512
• Bart Ehrman Mormon Stories episode: https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/bart-ehrman/
• Gospel of Mark Mormon Stories episode - John Larsen: https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/the-gospel-of-mark-john-larsen/
• The Language of God - Francis Collins: https://www.amazon.com/Language-God-Scientist-Presents-Evidence/dp/1416542744
• Saddleback Church: https://saddleback.com/
• Rick Warren church: https://pastorrick.com
• www.gaychurch.org
• Red letter bible: https://www.amazon.com/Full-Size-Burgundy-Leather-Ribbon-Version/dp/1432132881/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3UDBGFUT28BHR&keywords=red+letter+bible&qid=1642465477&s=books&sprefix=red+letter+bible%2Cstripbooks%2C94&sr=1-4
• God the most unpleasant character in all fiction By Dan Barker: https://www.amazon.com/God-Most-Unpleasant-Character-Fiction/dp/1454918322
• The case for Christ By Lee Strobel: https://www.amazon.com/Case-Christ-Journalists-Personal-Investigation/dp/0310345863/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1NSAA65NP7E22&keywords=The+case+for+Christ&qid=1642465603&s=books&sprefix=the+case+for+christ%2Cstripbooks%2C104&sr=1-1
• The End of Science By John Horgan : https://www.amazon.com/End-Science-Knowledge-Twilight-Scientific/dp/0465065929
• The Demon Haunted World By Carl Sagan: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=the+demon+haunted+world+carl+sagan&i=stripbooks&crid=2FYTBHR74WRI8&sprefix=the+deamon+%2Cstripbooks%2C134&ref=nb_sb_ss_sc_1_10
• Boy Scout Payout: https://youtu.be/bnxaPEdDZys

Today we welcome on Randy Bell, well known expert on real estate damages and friend of the podcast on to hear his Mormon Story. Raised in Fullerton, CA, we discuss Randy’s relationship with the Fender family, the effects of his profession on his Mormon faith including stories about how the Pulse Night Club shooting transformed his LGBTQ beliefs. In part 2 we dig deeper and discuss Randy’s incredible, thoughtful journey from Mormonism to Progressive Christianity.

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Show Notes:

• Randy’s wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Bell
• Link to youtube viewers poll: https://www.youtube.com/c/MormonStoriesPodcast/community
• Shawn McCrany’s church: https://hotm.faith/
• Rick Warren church: https://pastorrick.com
• Carah’s Mormon Stories interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW1uWu_DnPc
• Pulse Night Club: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_nightclub_shooting
• OJ Simpsons Made in America: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5275892/
• OJ Simpson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson
• Todd Compton - In Sacred Loneliness: http://www.toddmcompton.com/
• Gospel Topic Essay on Polygamy: https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/plural-marriage-in-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints?lang=eng
• Year of Polygamy: https://www.yearofpolygamy.com/
• Steven Hassan: https://www.amazon.com/Steven-Hassan/e/B000APQYV4%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share
• Sunstone: https://sunstone.org/
• Simon Southerton interview: https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/rod-meldrums-heartland-model/
• Joseph Smith Criminal Record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_and_the_criminal_justice_system#Chronology_of_charges
• Laura Roper Andreasen interview: https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/laura-roper-andreasen-granddaughter-m-russell-ballard/
• Randy’s Book: https://www.amazon.com/Post-Traumatic-Thriving-Randall-Bell-PhD/dp/0996793178
• A Thoughtful Faith Podcast by Gina Colvin: https://www.athoughtfulfaith.org 
• Bill Reel Mormon Discussions Podcast: https://mdpodcast.org 
• Johnathan Streeter - Thoughts on things and stuff: https://thoughtsonthingsandstuff.com/
• Radio Free Mormon: https://radiofreemormon.org 
• Sandra Tanner  - https://youtu.be/W64Ntsea6uw
• Mormon Sex Info - Natasha Helfer: https://mormonsex.info/about/ 
• Real Estate Damages: An Analysis of Detrimental Conditions Textbook: https://www.amazon.com/Real-Estate-Damages-Detrimental-Conditions/dp/0922154554 
• Me We Do Be: The Four Cornerstones of Success by Randall Bell, PhD: https://www.amazon.com/Me-We-Do-Be-Cornerstones/dp/0996793119 
• Leo Fender: The Quiet Giant Heart Around the World by Phyllis Fender & Randall Bell, PhD: https://www.amazon.com/Leo-Fender-Quiet-Giant-Around/dp/0996793143 
• Post-Traumatic Thriving by Randall Bell, PhD: https://www.amazon.com/Post-Traumatic-Thriving-Randall-Bell-PhD/dp/0996793178

Mormon Stories listeners are in for a treat today as we’re joined by Mark Phillips and his daughter Zelle as they share their family’s fascinating Mormon journey. Mark is a clinical and counseling psychologist by profession who has spent part of his career working in LDS Family Services and was first inspired on his mission as a trainer to become a psychologist when working with difficult companions. Zelle discusses with us what it was like as a missionary during Covid, coming home early, coming out to her family, and coming into her own authentic self. A few of the themes we cover in this episode are around how growing up in the US Midwest and South shapes Mormon experiences, focusing on what’s inside instead of outside appearances, and coming to terms with Mormon truth claims as a family. We know you’ll love this amazing father-daughter duo and enjoy listening to Carah as host and Gerardo as co-host on this episode!

Show Notes:

• Mark's Facebook post explaining why they left the church
• Thrive Unite
• Mormon Stories interview with Gerardo Sumano
• Jesus the Christ by James E. Talmadge
• "The case of a fallen mission president: When the Mormon Church promptly removed a leader who 'deceived and victimized' young female missionaries," by Peggy Fletcher-Stack, Salt Lake Tribune, April 26, 2018
• Rough Stone Rolling by Richard Bushman
• Saints Vol.1 published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
• The Joseph Smith Papers
• March 2021 Africa Area Devotional, in which Jeffrey Holland inadvertently admits that the rest of the world is always ahead of the Church
• "Be One: A Celebration of the Revelation on the Priesthood," the Church's June 2018 celebration on the 40th anniversary of letting black people in the temple
• "Issues and Ideas Leading People Away from the Gospel," a 2015 proprietary Church graphic released by MormonLeaks
• "The Ally Within," John Dehlin's TED Talk

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After 16 years of podcasting, John has seen a few highs and lows. With transparency for our supporters in mind, John is joined by Mormon Stories co-host and producer Carah Burrell to discuss what they love and hate about podcasting in this space.

Show Notes:

• Mormon Stories response to Jacob Hess part 1
• Please support Bill and RFM!
• Mormonism LIVE! 021: Sexual Allegation Against John Dehlin Goes Down In Flames
• Carah’s TikTok
• Please support Lost and Found Club
• Please support Sunstone!
• Please support Johnathan Streeter - Thoughts on things and stuff
• Please support Zelph on the Shelf!

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Join us live for a discussion with Margi and John about alternative approaches to New Year's Resolutions.

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Show Notes:

• Thrive Unite
• Thrive St. George
• A New Earth: Awakening to Your Life's Purpose by Eckhart Tolle
• "Small Things Often" podcast by John and Julie Gottman
• The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work: A Practical Guide from the Country's Foremost Relationship Expert by John M. Gottman
• Ana Mardoll's Instagram
• "Secular Buddhism" by Noah Rasheta
• "Christmas After a Mormon Faith Crisis" with Margi Dehlin
• Getting the Love You Want: A Guide for Couples by Harville Hendrix
• Tiny Beautiful Things: Advice on Love and Life from Dear Sugar by Cheryl Strayed
• Untamed by Glennon Doyle
• The Awakened Family: How to Raise, Empowered, Resilient, and Conscious Children by Shefali Tsabary
• The Conscious Parent: Transforming Ourselves, Empowering Our Children by Shefali Tsabary
• Out of Control: Why Disciplining Your Child Doesn't Work and What Will by Shefali Tsabary
• One Small Step Can Change Your Life: The Kaizen Way by Robert Maurer
• Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones by James Clear
• Nonviolent Communication: A Language of Life by Marshall Rosenberg
• "The Hidden Brain" podcast
• Relationship Intelligence by Esther Perel
• Flourish Therapy (Utah-specific)
• LGBTQ+-Affirmative Therapist Guild (Utah chapter of nationwide guild)
• Symmetry Solutions
• Margi Dehlin blog and life coaching

Answering follow-up questions from the Salt Lake Tribune about the Open Stories Foundation and THRIVE given to us by Peggy Fletcher Stack and Tony Semerad.

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Show Notes:

• Thrive Unite
• Mormon Stories Transparency Q&A in response to the Salt Lake Tribune
• Forms 990 Open Stories Foundation
• Forms 990 Thrive Foundation, Inc.
• "LDS Personal Faith Crisis," a leaked proprietary Church document prepared for Dieter Uchtdorf in 2013 about why members are losing their faith and leaving the Church
• "Come Join With Us," Dieter Uchtdorf, October 2013
• Jeffrey R. Holland's "Musket Fire" talk at BYU, August 2021
• Dallin H. Oaks lies about LGBTQ students at BYU being subjected to electroshock and vomiting aversion
• The "Mormon British Rescue"
• The Next Mormons: How Millennials are Changing the LDS Church by Jana Reiss
• The Gospel Topics Essays
• The LDS Gospel Topics Series: A Scholarly Engagement by Matthew L. Harris
• Mormon Stories interview with Matt Harris
• John Dehlin and Hans Mattson discuss the Gospel Topics Essays on The Line
• Why Mormons Question
• "Letter to an IRS Director," by Lars Nielsen
• Saints: The Story of the Church of Jesus Christ in the Latter Days, published by the Church of Jesus of Latter-day Saints
• LDS Discussions Annotation of Saints
• Mormon Stories interview with Roger Hendrix
• Ex-Mormon Reddit
• Mormonism Live with Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon
• Year of Polygamy podcast
• Mormon Mental Health podcast
• The Gift of the Mormon Faith Crisis
• Mormons on Mushrooms
• Zelph on the Shelf
• Nemo the Mormon
• Jordan and McKay
• Ex-Mo Lex
• Mormon Mental Health Association
• Utah Valley PostMormons
• Faith Journey Meetups
• Women of a Certain Age

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Wrapping up Gerald and Makenzie’s Mormon story, we talk in-depth about how their desire to raise healthy children changed their views on Mormon teachings as well as Gerald’s possible regrets around his baptism. Thanks for joining us on this epic three-part interview with the Benzi’s!

Show Notes:

• Talking with the Benzis podcast by Makenzie and Gerald
• Makenzie's Instagram
• Makenzie's lifecoaching and speech therapy
• The CES Letter
• The Gift of the Mormon Faith Crisis
• Untamed by Glennon Doyle
• Brene Brown

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In part 2 of Makenzie and Gerald’s Mormon Story, we dive into Makenzie’s life, what it was like with interracial parents, reconciling racist past church teachings, and studying under Mormon Egyptologist Kerry Muhlestein. Among some of the topics we cover are gender disparities in the church, dating and temple marriage, and becoming a nuanced believer. Come back for part 3 as we wrap up Gerald and Makenzie’s Mormon Story and we hope you love this amazing couple as much as we do!

Show Notes:

• Talking with the Benzis podcast by Makenzie and Gerald
• Makenzie's Instagram
• Makenzie's lifecoaching and speech therapy
• The CES Letter
• The Gift of the Mormon Faith Crisis
• Untamed by Glennon Doyle
• Brene Brown

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