Mormon Truth Podcast #19-An Interview With Joy, An Ex-Mormon-Part 2

This is part 2 of my interview with Joy. We appreciate everyone that has listened to part 1 and hope that you will enjoy part 2 just as much.

In this part, we start off where part 1 left off, with Joy explaining what the Church taught her regarding marriage and the Mormon depiction of marriage.

She shares some absolutely revolting quotes, about how much a man should love his wife and children, compared to the Mormon Church, from Brigham Young, of course, in The Journal of Discourses.

The first quote by Brigham Young, is located in volume 3 page 360. The 2nd quote is located in volume 9 page 37.

I feel bad For any of you TBMs out there, that can hear or read these quotes, and then somehow justify them, and still call this man an "inspired Prophet of God." What would it take for you to wake up and realize that this man, who is praised by Mormons and has a University named after him, had nothing to do with any God.

If their is a devil running around tormenting people, as part of God's inspired plan, then Brigham Young was one of his die-hard servants and did a great job.

Also, the Mormon Hierarchy has never repudiated these quotes that Joy shares and still sells them in Jesus' one and only true and living bookstore. Brigham Young was a disgrace to mankind and a very vile human being. These quotes just add to his legacy of disgrace!!

Joy also mentions the studies done on Prozac use in Utah, among many drugs, compared to other places. Why is it so high? Hmm....70% Mormon and the highest Prozac use? You do the math, but it's not hard to figure out, is it?

We are simply pointing out that people do what they have to, to cope with their life and that here in Utah, where most are Mormon, well....they never feel good enough and can never live up to the impossible, lofty standards and responsibilities, that are given to them from birth.

The suicide rates in Utah, are also always among the highest in the country and it is all inter-related. One need only read the story of Kip Eliason of Idaho, to see how awful the Mormon Church handles depressed people and what the end result may be.

Joy also shares a very personal story about a dear friend of hers and what he went through when he revealed to his family, that he was homosexual. His family is die-hard TBM, which means that they are intolerant and anti-gay, even with their own Son, because they follow the Mormon Church's teachings and beliefs on the subject.

Those that teach and advocate these homophobic and awful views, includes the bigots Gordon B. Hinckley and Boyd K. Packer....which are 2 of the top 4 big dogs of the Mormon Hierarchy. Boyd K. Packer is 2nd in line behind Thomas Monson, to be the next Mormon Prophet, just so that everyone knows.

Like Hinckley says, gays and lesbians have a problem and need to be fixed, but he also admits that he doesn't know how to fix them or have the slightest clue why they are even gay. Again, how can anyone support or justify this? He's an inspired Prophet of God? Boyd K. Packer and Dallin H. Oaks, have also admitted that they don't know why they are gay or if they were born that way.

Please leave your comments and let us know what you felt while listening to this podcast and the personal experiences of Joy. I feel like Joy shared some very powerful things with all of us and I'll always be grateful to Joy, for giving her time, heart and soul to this podcast and all of you out there listening.

I know that it wasn't easy for her and in fact very painful, to discuss these things and I hope that it was helpful to some of you out there struggling. For those that don't think the Mormon Church destroys lives or ruins families, this interview with Joy, should help clear that up for you.

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Samuel the Utahnite

Originally published May 28, 2006

Mormon Truth Podcast #17-An Interview With Jared, A Mormon Apologist Jared-Part 4

Well guys, here we are, finally at part 4, of the interview with the Mormon Apologist Jared. My next 3 podcasts, which are already recorded, and should prove to be very interesting, to most of you out there, especially you TBMs, specifically women.

Here in Part 4, of the interview with the Mormon Apologist Jared, we continue on where we left off in part 3, with Jared discussing what his definition of repentance is. We then go into what is forgiveness and how and when we are forgiven for our sins.

We quoted Mormon Prophet Spencer W. Kimball out of "Miracle of Forgiveness", which clearly showed that Jared's conclusions or personal opinions, on what forgiveness is for Mormons, were wrong, according to the former Prophet Kimball.

We then discuss what it takes to get into the Celestial Kingdom and Jared seems to be in a little bit of denial, that you have to be a Mormon, in this life or the next, in order to achieve that. Jared justifies the Mormon teachings, by once again, comparing it to Christianity, which was getting very tired for me at this point.

Jared does point out, with his argument, the flaws in both Mormonism and Christianity, in regard to who is saved and I have to say that I agree with that argument, that both are very flawed. However, the flaws in Christianity, in this regard, are just as bad and do not justify, the flaws in the Mormon cult.

There are many more topics that you guys will enjoy, as the above description only covers the first 10 minutes or so. Now, when the show ended, I continued recording, as we discussed many extra topics, that were not part of the regular show.

I have included as much of that bonus coverage as I can, without compromising Jared and the personal information regarding his life and some topics that he wasn't comfortable with me posting, which I respect. I had to do quite a bit of editing, but the bonus audio still turned out great and I did post this with the full approval of both Jared and Eric.

As I just mentioned, Jared knows that I'm going to post this "bonus coverage", just so that everyone knows that I wasn't doing it behind his back. When I listened back to it, I realized that too many great things were discussed, to not include them in this podcast for all of you guys to hear; so I sought the approval of both of them, to post it.

So, enjoy everybody and thanks again for your patience in the delay of releasing this part 4 and I hope that you all enjoy it and that it was worth the wait. There should be no more long delays in releasing my podcasts, since I'm all set up now, finally, and I really appreciate all of you loyal listeners out there for your patience and support.

I also appreciate all of the recent hatemail from you clueless TBMS and apologists, who just attack me personally and condemn me to hell and can't wait for the Mormon God to serve out his justice, "in this life or the next."(blood atonement) Of course, all of these personal attacks, without addressing one specific thing I've actually said or written about.

You guys just continue to show me why it is that I must continue to do what I'm doing and I appreciate it very much!! Now, you apologists and offensive, die-hard TBMS go back to your pathetic cult and bow your heads and say yes!!

Samuel the Utahnite

Originally Posted May 16, 2006

Mormon Truth Podcast #16-An Interview With Jared, A Mormon Apologist-Part 3

Well everyone, I'm finally back, with part 3 of this interview with Jared, the Mormon Apologist. In this part, we pick up where we left

off in part 2, with Jared discussing the many errors of the Bible to somehow justify the many errors in the Mormon Church and Book of Mormon.

I still can't see the connection of how bashing and disproving Christianity helps prove Mormonism is true. I felt like I was in the twilight zone!! Also, the same is true going the other way; trying to prove Christianity as the ultimate truth, doesn't prove Mormonism is false.

Jared loves to compare the errors of Christianity to the errors in Mormonism, to justify and show that the Mormon Church is true. In other words, according to Jared, the screwed up Mormon Church is true, but the screwed up Christian Churches and the Bible, which are full of

errors themselves, upon which Mormonism is based, are all false.

Jared is welcome to respond in the comments of this podcast, if he feels that I'm misrepresenting what he was trying to say or believes. I think the interview stands for itself.

We then debate the translation process of the Book of Mormon and Jared disputes that it was "word for word" and impossible for errors to have been committed, despite the quotes I share, proving that it was indeed word for word. He does finally admit that the errors may have happened at the printing press...yeah right!!

Samuel the Utahnite

Originally published May 3, 2006