Morton Kondracke has teamed up with his former�co-host of Fox News Channel’s The Beltway Boys once again, but this time he and Fred Barnes have opted for a different medium: literature. The duo has written a new book about one of their heroes and all-around “bleeding-heart conservative”�Jack Kemp, and Greta Van Susteren sat down with Kondracke to get the scoop.

In this edition of Greta Talk, Kondracke tells the On the Record host all about “the�most important politician of the 20th century who was not president”, including his life as a pro football player, his ties to Paul Ryan, and what the 2016 presidential candidates could learn from Kemp.

Also, which�active politician�is the “closest to the Kemp spirit and substance that there is”?

Listen to the interview below and be sure to check out Mort and Fred’s book here!