Moving to Value Unscripted

Healthcare is the second or third largest expense of most employers. As costs continue to rise, hidden incentives, legacy brokerage models and lack of transparency keep employers stuck in the same expensive cycle.

Donovan Pyle, CEO of Health Compass Consulting, offers a sharp diagnosis of the barriers employers face in reforming this system, as well as the strategies employers can put in play to get more value from their healthcare spending.

Drawing on insights from his new book, Fixing Healthcare: How Executives Can Save Their People, Their Business, and the Economy, Donovan maps out what it takes to flip the script: building a value-driven benefits strategy, eliminating waste and improving outcomes.

Join us for a candid, practical conversation on how employers can drive real change in healthcare.
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Find all episodes of Moving to Value Unscripted here⁠⁠. | Sign up for our email list here.

Thank you to our MTVA Trade Members and Ally Members whose support helps make this podcast possible!  

As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, we rely on support from our grassroots network to advance our mission. Get involved at movingtovalue.org/membership.  

Rural healthcare is in crisis, and few people understand the stakes better than the National Rural Health Association’s Brock Slabach. In this episode, Slabach cuts through the noise to explain why many rural hospitals are struggling and where real solutions are taking shape.

He breaks down the core pressures facing rural providers — thin margins, stretched workforce, volatile policy — and makes a compelling case for why value-based care isn’t optional anymore. Slabach highlights the programs that are moving the needle, the partnerships that matter and the operational shifts leaders can make now to help their organizations thrive.

The conversation also surfaces a bigger truth — rural health isn’t a side issue. It’s a systemwide warning sign. Join us as we pull rural healthcare from the margins into the center of the value based care conversation.

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Find all episodes of Moving to Value Unscripted here⁠⁠. | Sign up for our email list here.

Thank you to our MTVA Trade Members and Ally Members whose support helps make this podcast possible!  

As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, we rely on support from our grassroots network to advance our mission of creating a value-based health system with high-quality patient outcomes at a reasonable cost. For more information and to join us, visit movingtovalue.org/membership.  

This is part two of our Health Systems at a Crossroads webinar. Click here to catch part one, or find it earlier in our podcast feed.

Join us as we discuss a vision for value-based care and practical steps to challenge the status quo. With special guests:

• Mark Gwynne, Chief Value Officer, UNC Health
• Jeffrey Hogan, President, Upside Health Advisors
• Blair Childs, President and CEO, Childs Associates LLC

Moderated by Marion Couch, IntoValue Inc. Co-Founder and CEO, Guidehealth Executive Advisory Board Chair and CMO and Duke University School of Medicine Adjunct Professor.

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All episodes of MTVA Unscripted can be found⁠ ⁠here⁠⁠. | Sign up for our email list here.

Thank you to our MTVA Trade Members and Ally Members whose support helps make this podcast possible!  

As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, we rely on support from our grassroots network to advance our mission of creating a value-based health system with high-quality patient outcomes at a reasonable cost. For more information and to join us, visit our website: https://www.movingtovalue.org/membership.  

This is part one of our Health Systems at a Crossroads webinar. Part two will take place on Friday, November 14 at 12 ET. Click here to register.

Join us as we survey the structural, financial and cultural forces shaping hospital behavior. Our expert guests unpack where hospitals truly make money, how consolidation impacts access and what stands in the way of a systemic shift toward value-based care. With featured speakers:

• Erin Hurlburt, Chief Medical Officer, Population Health Services, Lumeris

• Chris Deacon, Author and Founder, Versan Consulting

• Ge Bai, Professor of Accounting, Johns Hopkins Carey Business School and Professor of Health Policy and Management, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Moderated by John Rodis, Moving to Value Alliance President and Arista Health LLC Founder and President.

Join us on Friday, November 14 at 12 ET for part two of our Health Systems at a Crossroads webinar, when we'll dig deeper into how health systems can work toward creating high-value care models. Click here to register.

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All episodes of MTVA Unscripted can be found⁠ ⁠here⁠⁠. | Sign up for our email list here.

Thank you to our MTVA Trade Members and Ally Members whose support helps make this podcast possible!  

As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, we rely on support from our grassroots network to advance our mission of creating a value-based health system with high-quality patient outcomes at a reasonable cost. For more information and to join us, visit our website: https://www.movingtovalue.org/membership.  

We're excited to invite you to our upcoming 'Health Systems at a Crossroads' webinar series exploring the challenges facing America’s health systems and the emerging opportunities for transforming care delivery. The sessions will take place at 12 p.m. ET on Friday, November 7 and Friday, November 14.

Click here to register.

Session One — The Health of Health Systems

Friday, November 7, 12-1 p.m. ET

This session will survey the structural, financial and cultural forces shaping hospital behavior. Experts will unpack where hospitals truly make money, how consolidation impacts access and what stands in the way of a systemic shift toward value-based care. With featured speakers:

• Erin Hurlburt, Chief Medical Officer, Population Health Services, Lumeris

• Chris Deacon, Author and Founder, Versan Consulting

• Ge Bai, Professor of Accounting, Johns Hopkins Carey Business School and Professor of Health Policy and Management, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

John Rodis, Moving to Value Alliance President and Arista Health LLC Founder and President will moderate.

Session Two — Innovating Toward Value

Friday, November 14, 12-1 p.m. ET

This session will turn to solutions. Panelists will share practical steps for health systems seeking to realign incentives, embrace new technologies and drive improvements in value-based care. Discussion will center on how health systems can work toward creating high-value care models. With featured speakers:

• Mark Gwynne, Chief Value Officer, UNC Health

• Jeffrey Hogan, President, Upside Health Advisors

• Blair Childs, President and CEO, Childs Associates LLC & Partner, CEO Advisory Network

Marion Couch, IntoValue Inc. Co-Founder and CEO, Guidehealth Executive Advisory Board Chair and Chief Medical Officer and Duke University School of Medicine Adjunct Professor will moderate.

Click here to register.

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All episodes of MTVA Unscripted can be found⁠ ⁠here⁠⁠. | Sign up for our email list here.

Thank you to our MTVA Trade Members and Ally Members whose support helps make this podcast possible!  

As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, we rely on support from our grassroots network to advance our mission of creating a value-based health system with high-quality patient outcomes at a reasonable cost. For more information and to join us, visit our website: https://www.movingtovalue.org/membership.  

This is part two of a two-part episode. Click here to catch part one, or find it in our podcast feed.

What would healthcare look like if it were truly built around the people it serves? In this episode, we take a closer look at Alaska’s Southcentral Foundation and its internationally acclaimed Nuka System of Care — a model that has redefined what value-based care can mean when relationships, trust and community ownership are at the center.

Joining us are April Kyle, President and CEO of Southcentral Foundation, and Dr. Doug Eby, the system’s founding medical director and one of Nuka’s chief architects. Together, we explore how an Alaska Native–owned health system transformed itself from a federal bureaucracy into one of the world’s most respected models of integrated, relationship-based care. April and Doug share the principles and practices that have led to dramatically improved outcomes and high patient and employee satisfaction at significantly lower costs.

Through the story of Nuka, we consider what’s possible when healthcare shifts from doing things to patients to partnering with people — and how lessons from Alaska might chart a course toward more human, more effective value-based systems around the country (and the world).

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Don't miss our upcoming 'Health Systems at a Crossroads' webinar series, which will take place Friday, November 7 and Friday, November 14 at 12 p.m. ET. Click here to register.

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All episodes of MTVA Unscripted can be found⁠ ⁠here⁠⁠. | Sign up for our email list here.

Thank you to our MTVA Trade Members and Ally Members whose support helps make this podcast possible!  

As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, we rely on support from our grassroots network to advance our mission of creating a value-based health system with high-quality patient outcomes at a reasonable cost. For more information and to join us, visit our website: https://www.movingtovalue.org/membership. 

What would healthcare look like if it were truly built around the people it serves? In this episode, we take a closer look at Alaska’s Southcentral Foundation and its internationally acclaimed Nuka System of Care — a model that has redefined what value-based care can mean when relationships, trust and community ownership are at the center.

Joining us are April Kyle, President and CEO of Southcentral Foundation, and Dr. Doug Eby, the system’s founding medical director and one of Nuka’s chief architects. Together, we explore how an Alaska Native–owned health system transformed itself from a federal bureaucracy into one of the world’s most respected models of integrated, relationship-based care. April and Doug share the principles and practices that have led to dramatically improved outcomes and high patient and employee satisfaction at significantly lower costs.

Through the story of Nuka, we consider what’s possible when healthcare shifts from doing things to patients to partnering with people — and how lessons from Alaska might chart a course toward more human, more effective value-based systems around the country (and the world).

This is part one of a two-part episode. Click here to catch part two, or find it in our podcast feed.

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Don't miss our upcoming 'Health Systems at a Crossroads' webinar series, which will take place Friday, November 7 and Friday, November 14 at 12 p.m. ET. Click here to register.

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All episodes of MTVA Unscripted can be found⁠ ⁠here⁠⁠. | Sign up for our email list here.

Thank you to our MTVA Trade Members and Ally Members whose support helps make this podcast possible!  

As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, we rely on support from our grassroots network to advance our mission of creating a value-based health system with high-quality patient outcomes at a reasonable cost. For more information and to join us, visit our website: https://www.movingtovalue.org/membership.  

Convenience, flexibility, value. Subscription-based models could disrupt the paradigm of accessing (and paying for) healthcare. But can they build buy-in and consumer trust? We discuss with special guest Christina Farr.

As a health tech investor, general partner at Scrub Capital and author of the industry-leading Second Opinion newsletter, Christina offers her perspective on how business model innovation can drive real value in healthcare.

We touch on her recent piece, "Subscription-based healthcare just got a big tailwind," which examines how emerging policy and payment reforms could be a leg up for membership-based and direct care models, and what that might mean for employers and innovators pursuing value-based care.

Join our conversation about how the next generation of healthcare leaders can think differently about impact, incentives, and the real meaning of value.

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All episodes of MTVA Unscripted can be found⁠ ⁠here⁠⁠. | Sign up for our email list here.

Thank you to our MTVA Trade Members and Ally Members whose support helps make this podcast possible!  

As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, we rely on support from our grassroots network to advance our mission of creating a value-based health system with high-quality patient outcomes at a reasonable cost. For more information and to join us, visit our website: https://www.movingtovalue.org/membership.  

Surgeons getting sticker shock? MTVA discusses transparency in health system spending and optimizing for better long-term patient outcomes with special guest Derek Haas.

Derek is the CEO and founder of Avant-garde Health, which provides surgeons, health systems, and ASCs with comprehensive insight into their surgical care and empowers them to improve their profitability and care quality.

"We help health systems and physicians understand the opportunities to deliver their care with the same or higher quality but in a more financially-optimal fashion."

Avant-garde's work has been featured on the front page of The Wall Street Journal. Derek has co-authored twelve Harvard Business Review articles, as well as articles in NEJM and JAMA. He holds a BA and MBA from Harvard.

Our conversation with Derek is particularly timely as hospitals and health systems navigate how changes in federal policy will impact their business models.

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All episodes of MTVA Unscripted can be found⁠ ⁠here⁠⁠. | Sign up for our email list here.

Thank you to our MTVA Trade Members and Ally Members whose support helps make this podcast possible!  

As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, we rely on support from our grassroots network to advance our mission of creating a value-based health system with high-quality patient outcomes at a reasonable cost. For more information and to join us, visit our website: https://www.movingtovalue.org/membership.  

Are your bags packed for Denver? Gear up for RosettaFest 2025 by listening to this conversation between MTVA and Dave Chase! 

If you don’t yet know the pioneering disruptor Dave Chase, he’s on a mission to restore hope, health and economic prosperity to communities through healthcare transformation.

Dave is a Co-Founder and CEO of Health Rosetta, a blueprint for high-performing health benefits using simple, practical fixes. Health Rosetta helps employers and unions provide better care for their members, while reducing benefits spending by 20-40%. 

We discuss driving transformation within our multibillion dollar healthcare industry, navigating political headwinds, and scaling healthcare fixes from the local level with Health Rosetta. 

“Healthcare was systematically extracting wealth from communities and families, all while delivering mediocre outcomes. And honestly it’s the largest wealth transfer in American history, from the working and middle class – who’ve had 30 years of wage gain stolen – to Wall Street and their water carriers. That was the cold hard truth that I found.” 

Watch Dave’s TEDxTalk or read his books: The CEO’s Guide to Restoring the American Dream, Opioid Crisis Wake-up Call, and Relocalizing Health

Further Listening from MTVA Unscripted:

• Employer Series - Part 1: The Critical Importance of Getting and Owning Your Claims Data

• What Employers Need To Do Now to Comply With CAA by End of Year : MTVA Talks to Chris Deacon

• From ERISA to CAA: How Has Employer’s Fiduciary Responsibility Changed Over Time?

• “YOU Are the Customer”: Fixing Healthcare from the CEO’s Desk w/ Darrell Moon

Other Sources Referenced:

• Dr. Michael Fine’s book On Medicine as Colonialism 
• Nautilus Health Institute 
• SoNE Health's Crushing Healthcare “Healthcare is Local”

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All episodes of MTVA Unscripted can be found⁠ ⁠here⁠⁠. | Sign up for our email list here.

Thank you to our MTVA Trade Members and Ally Members whose support helps make this podcast possible!  

As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, we rely on support from our grassroots network to advance our mission of creating a value-based health system with high-quality patient outcomes at a reasonable cost. For more information and to join us, visit our website: https://www.movingtovalue.org/membership.