Last March 6-8 at the Making Futures Conference in Cebu, we met Amneh Shaikh-Farooqui, who works with Pakistani craft communities, and learned about Cameron Tonkinwise, who teaches transition design at the University of Technology Sydney. Six weeks after the conference and several weeks into lockdown, we catch up with them to talk about how COVID now impacts craft, and how craft, in turn, might possibly influence more sustainable and equitable futures. Making Futures was organized by British Council and Plymouth College of Art, in cooperation with the Design Center of the Philippines. Learn more and get access to more episode resources via muni.com.ph/post/podcast_ep6.