Ralph and Michael put on full KISS makeup (trust us) to contemplate this heady concept album that Michael keeps calling "Music FOR the Elder," which is not the actual title. (Get it together, Michael.) Turns out there's more to Gene Simmons than most people realize, and we're going to convince you of that.

Along the way, Ralph tries to define "butt rock," Michael rethinks his concept of heroism, and they take a call from someone with an unusual proposition. Later, Ralph performs "I."

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