Hello and welcome to today's podcast! I'm so excited to bring someone truly phenomenal to you today. This is Jay McDonald, Jay, welcome to the house!
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Jay: Hey, thank you so much for having me. I'm super excited to be here.
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Harriet: Awesome!
Harriet: Jay is man on a mission to help others find comfort in their own skin – something that so many us women are truly passionate about. And we've got some interesting stories coming your way, because Jay is an interesting human. He's also been anorexic and obese, so he can relate to so many people, and I hope that he can relate you.
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Harriet: Jay, share with the listeners a little bit about you and what you're up to right now.
Jay: My mission right now, like you said, is to find others find comfort in their own skin. I do international online fitness and nutrition coaching, and I use what's called the No Restrictions Nutrition Principles, as well as the Train Smarter, Not Harder protocols.
Jay: I found that, growing up, I came from a very, very obese family. I came from a very, very loving family and food was one of those ways to show love. Unfortunately, I'm not Italian, so we weren't the best cooks, but we definitely did enjoy food. Growing up I was very, very overweight. And I couldn't understand why. I always thought that; oh, I'm just destined to be this way. One day, I just that kind of click moment and realized that my genes, my genetics don't determine the size of my jeans. And that's when fitness kind of started from me.
Most people don't know this, but I was actually a professional musician for years as well, and the music industry is very, very, obviously aesthetically focused, so I got introduced to fitness in order to change my body to please the audience for my music career. That is what took me beyond that, to the other extreme.
Jay: So, being from both ends of the spectrum, I can relate – or try my best to relate – with everyone who's on their fitness journey.
Harriet: Awesome.
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Harriet: Wow, that's so exciting. You were a musician for a long time. What was your expertise?
Jay: My expertise was drumming.
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Harriet: Awesome! So, obviously, the typical associations with drummers is eating greasy burgers and fries. What was it like for you when you were experiencing that side of yourself?
Jay: What's interesting is, at that point in time, when I was trying to educate myself on fitness and nutrition and how to lose body fat, I learned one thing; and that was that, if I burn more energy that I consume, my body fat goes down.
Jay: Regardless, the only issue with that was that I continued to do that, and I took it to a very, very deep, dark place. I also developed what's called orthorexia, which is the fear of food. So, for a very, very long time, I did not eat salt, I did not eat sugar, I did not eat white flour – I was essentially, completely, and totally in a state of deprivation. And I mean that physically and mentally. We only have so much self-control.
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Harriet: I'd love to hear a little bit more about what those are, the no restriction nutrition protocols.
Jay: So my belief is, and based on Science, is that, again, if you burn more energy than you consume, you're guaranteed to lose body fat. If you were using a car, for example; say it takes $50 of gas to drive to the nearest town. If you only pump in $48, you're not going get there. If you pump in $48 of premium, you're still not going to get there.
Jay: And I find what happens with a lot of people is that when they decide to go on a fat-loss journey, they go to the cupboards and they throw out all their favorite foods, and they throw out any of their favorite snacks, and that kind of thing. They opt for organic groceries and things like that, that might not necessarily be their favorite thing. Sooner or later, they start to lose self-control. So, what I promote is eating what you want, when you want, as long as it fits into macronutrient targets, and that's what brings caloric value to our food.
Harriet: That make sense. Okay, that's really cool. Thanks for sharing that.
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Harriet: I would love to hear a little bit about what's got you so excited about this business, and what's currently growing for you and expanding, when it comes to what you're doing in the health sector.
Jay: The coolest thing for me about this business, and the most exciting part, is that I can literally do it from anywhere. I had started in a gym as a certified personal trainer, did that for a few years, and the issue that I found that I was having with people was that I could only get hands-on for an hour with one person or two people, or three people maximum. The most exciting part for me about my business or my industry is that I get to do it from anywhere in the world essentially and I get to do it from online.
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Jay: I found the issue I was having was that I could only help one to say maybe three people at a time, when I wanted to help a much, much larger audience. And I've had people argue that; well, you know, isn't it better to be hands-on?
Jay: That may be correct in certain scenarios, but if someone is going from absolutely nothing to – now they're in the gym, or now they're being active, or now they're tracking their nutrition, or now they're taking steps towards a healthier lifestyle – I am totally about that life.
Jay: The most gratifying thing for me is being able to have freedom and help other people achieve that same freedom in their own body.
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Harriet: When it comes to having freedom and being able to coach from anywhere in the world, who's your kind of favorite client? Who's your favorite person to work with and see results in?
Jay: Honestly, for me? My personal favorite is young women. I have a baby sister and to me, there is nothing more exciting than seeing someone feel empowered and confident in their skin. I feel like today, young women especially are attacked just vigorously through social media, in the sense that they have to have the "perfect body." Once they have said "perfect body," now they have to display that perfect body.
Jay: And the thing for me is, I am all about female empowerment and young women being strong and confident and smart. But at the end of the day, you don't have to be naked to show your results. If you want to, power to you. That's fantastic. But I just feel like there is so much pressure on young women from every direction and having a younger sister like that, I just feel like that really hits close to home and that is the most gratifying thing.
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Harriet: Nice. So they're like – they love their reflection that's looking back them, and they're so much happier with themselves.
Jay: Absolutely.
Harriet: I love that, that's so cool.
Harriet: I definitely resonate with your message about women are hounded in the media. And it's not just about, you know, you have to be naked to show results. It's like every single place that you look, whether it's on a magazine or the television, online, or on your Facebook ads – it's always stuff telling you that you're not good enough. "Ah, you need this latest cream." "You need this latest thing." "You need to go to this thing, you should do that thing, you need to have your lips a certain way."
Harriet: There's so much noise out there, and so it's great and it's refreshing to have someone who's got such a different message about helping women's self-confidence. I think that's pretty cool.
Jay: Totally.
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Jay: I think the thing for me is that I m a very, very firm believer in this statement that; "The me I see is the me I'll be." Often, I get women – or men, men as well – come to me and say; "I'm fat. I want your help." And the first thing I tell them, straight off the bat, is; you are not fat.
Jay: You might be holding some body fat, but you're not fat. You know what I mean? You might make mistakes, but you're not a failure.
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Jay: I'm about finding comfort on your skin. It's not about just fat loss. Some of this women want to be stronger. Some of this men want to be stronger. Some of them need to gain weight. It goes on both ends of the spectrum. At the end of the day, if what you see looking back at you is enough for you to smile, that's the biggest thing.
Jay: Like I say, I have been – I like to joke around and call it "manorexic" – and I have been the one that got called "fatty fatty two-by-four." I've been to both ends, and right now, I sit in a very comfortable place.
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Jay: Nobody notices anything. I get to be comfortable.
Harriet: It's just you. It's just the movie that's playing for you.
Jay: Totally! It's all this scenario that we've made up in our heads.
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Jay: At the end of the day, people forget that different societies are attracted to different things. Not everybody likes the rail-thin model that you see. Not everybody likes the plus-size models. Everybody out there has somebody that's going to be attractive to them, and if that's the thing that were seeking out – that tribe mentality where we need a community – you're perfect just the way you are.
Harriet: That's brilliant.
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Harriet: Jay, would you share little bit – you talked slightly before about your sister and how part of this is for her, as such. Would you share a little about your upbringing, what influences you had, positive and negative? I guess a little bit about your story. I think it's important to show [that] even you're doing great right now you, you've had some challenges. It's great for the listeners to hear that challenges can be overcome. They don't always have to be there. They can be moved.
Jay: Totally!
Jay: For me, growing up, I was a very, very self-conscious kid. Like I said, I came from – half of my family was overweight, and the other half was yogis, so very, very healthy. There's always this, like, inner battle at the dinner table where things had to be portioned for me.
Jay: At the time, I totally hated it. Now, I'm so thankful for the things that were instilled and ingrained in me. Growing up, my parents went through a very messy divorce. I was back and forth between parents' house. The thing for me is that food was the one thing I could control. I learned right away that if I was having a bad day? Have a cookie, right? If I was having a great day? Celebrate. Have a cookie. So, going through those scenarios, I was overweight up until essentially the end of high school. I always went to food as my means of happiness and my means of control.
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Jay: When I was sixteen, my oldest brother commits suicide and that was something that totally threw my family for a loop. It was very, very, very difficult and that I think to me is what instilled this idea of you mean more than you know.
Jay: We have so much to give to the world, and in my opinion, if there's anything that you're doing – if you know how to do something that someone else doesn't know how to do, and you can improve other's lives? How dare you not do that.
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Jay: For me, I've kind of been through many, many scenarios. I've dealt with divorce, I've dealt with suicide, I've dealt with murder. So many of these things that everybody goes through on day-to-day basis.
Jay: But my mindset, I believe, is something that keeps me moving forward. There is truly a silver lining to every single scenario we're in. The event plus your reaction equals the outcome.
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Jay: That being said, through every scenario, I've been able to continue and grow. It's kind of like the torpedo scenario. A torpedo doesn't pick its target and go directly to it. It finds the target, it knows where it's going, and then it fails because it steers off to the left, off to the right, little bit up, little bit down – and it fails, fails, fails – over and over and over, until it reaches that goal.
Jay: And one of the biggest things that I've learned through my raising is that everybody has this idea of this big picture, this big thing that they have to accomplish – almost to the point where it gives people day-to-day anxiety.
Jay: At the end of the day, it's all of these little successes that we make at every minute, in every moment, that add up to that big picture. And that's the biggest thing that I've learned from my raising to keep in mind.
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Harriet: Nice. Can I just say; wow. You know, I've interviewed quite a few people, and I've interviewed some really successful people, some averagely successful people, but it's so awesome to hear the amount of stuff that you kind of had happen to you is insane. One of the true metaphors of life, I believe, is remaining sane in insane places and really knowing how to come out of a spin.
Harriet: It's pretty cool, man.
Jay: Thank you.
Harriet: I really appreciate you sharing your story, thanks so much.
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Harriet: You talked about some silver linings, you talked about the torpedo metaphor – which I loved. What's been the real metaphor and the real turning point for you for change for your life? Did you have to go all the way to the bottom of the pile? What was the bottom of the pile? How was your experience from that?
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Jay: I've heard the saying so many times that it's the calm before the storm and I think that's absolutely, totally ridiculous and backwards.
Jay: It, to me, is always the storm before the calm. I'm a very firm believer in "the me I see is the me I'll be," and manifesting, and creating the life that we want to live. One of the biggest things is, if you have that big picture in mind and you know it and resolve this, it literally does not matter what happens to you.
Jay: I like to think that you kind of get a one-two punch in the gut, and if you're able to withstand that, you take another ten steps forward. It's like climbing; you're hiking. Just because you trip and scrape your knee, doesn't mean the hike's over. You can keep going.
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Harriet: It's so true, because life – it's not like there's going to be one point where we're like; right! I've solved all my problems. What's next? There's always going to be something that's coming up that's going to allow us to grow.
Harriet: Because if we're not growing, we're doing the opposite.
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Jay: I learned that at such an early age, because, like I said before I had even graduated high school, I was signed to a major label and playing music as a profession. I kind of got to live every 18 years old dream.
Jay: One of the biggest things I learned is that I can be proud, but never satisfied.
Jay: What I mean by that, because it's a dangerous saying if you take it the wrong way, but when we were going, you know, when we first started, we would do anything to be able to play for an audience. And then we did it. There was nothing we wanted more on the Earth than to be on the radio. And then we did it. At that point there was nothing that we would do more on the Earth – we would get anything to be on Much Music and have our music video playing on popular television.
Jay: And then I remember walking past my TV and being like; oh, the video's on, and just getting on with my day.
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Jay: So these things are all these little stepping stones that, again, add up to that big picture but if you don't enjoy the process, if you don't enjoy the journey, what are you doing?
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Harriet: Awesome.
Harriet: I've got a question for you about recipes. What would you say is one of the recipes that you're a real positive advocate for when it comes to helping people achieve their ideal level of health?
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Jay: The ideal recipe in my opinion is measurement. What gets measured gets managed.
Jay: With my programming, I do what's called No-Restrictions nutrition coaching. So, for certain individuals, when they go on some type of health and fitness journey, they immediately remove all of the things that they love.
Jay: At the end of the day, everything should be in moderation in my opinion, because I don't think that North America – or the planet – has an obesity problem. I think everybody has a rebound problem.
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Jay: Most people are not overweight by choice. They simply just don't know. And the biggest thing is by cutting everything out, they immediately get to a place of running out of self-control. Just like your gas talk, we only have so much.
Jay: But, if you're measuring your intake, you can manage your body weight.
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Jay: I know that it is so incredibly easy to go out and rack up a ten thousand calorie cheat meal, just because of the way food is in today's society. It's not hard; you know, you go to the movies and get some popcorn. You get some ice cream after. You get pizza, you have a bottle of wine – whatever it is that's your cheat.
Jay: Versus, say you had 200 calories of ice cream. You had it literally every day of the week, for seven days a week. Seven times two is only 1,400 calories, so at the end of the day, when you look at the moderation factor, you're staying on track, you're taking the die out of diet. You're living a healthy, hopefully active, lifestyle. You're getting the best of both worlds.
Jay: Does that make sense?
Harriet: It does.
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Harriet: The key factor that I love there is you really cannot manage if you're not measuring. So many people – "ah, I'll just go to the gym," or "I'm just going to eat this thing." It's so important to actually understand. It's like Math; it's like the petrol, the diesel.
Harriet: If you don't know how much you're putting in, you don't want to stop two miles before you get to the next town. You want to know exactly what you're putting in so you can figure out. Everyone has a recipe, everyone has a system, that's going to really work for them. Until you can truly measure it, you really can't manage what you're doing and you can't compare results you can't test.
Jay: Exactly!
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Jay: One of the biggest things that I run into so often too is that eating something that is healthy doesn't always mean that you're eating toward your goals.
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Jay: I always, always recommend and encourage nutrient-dense – like, as healthy as possible --but, when it comes down to the end of day, it's about measuring your intake.
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Harriet: That's such a great, simple take away, for any single person who is on the journey. And I know, being a woman, and you obviously been through this experience yourself – it's so easy to be feeling something. Be feeling not so great about yourself, feeling unconfident, feeling uncomfortable in your body; "Ah, I'll use this tool, this food thing to get me there a lot faster," when really? It's actually something on the inside that needs to be changed, that needs to be adapted, that needs to be edited, that needs to be loved, realistically.
Jay: Absolutely.
Jay: When that seed is planted, that seed of self-love and the idea that you mean so much more than you know, that's going to be the ultimate picture.
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Jay: Because if all we're doing is seeking out this gratification from others – looking for the likes on Instagram, looking for the screenshots on Snapchat, looking for the shares on Facebook – it's deferred loneliness. We're not going to get that gratification that we deserve. And I'm a very, very firm believer that every person on this planet is worth everything.
Jay: Think about the single people that have made impacts on this Earth. Everything starts with a domino effect. Everything starts somewhere. I've heard so many times, people say before; oh, you know, you're just a speck of dust in the universe. If someone was to say that to me, the conversation's over.
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Harriet: I've definitely had a few people mention to me about the speck of dust thing, before, and here's what I always say; "even if you are one speck of dust, it only takes one speck of dust to truly change the world."
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Harriet: Even though you may only be one speck of dust, if you just change one person's life – one person that was suicidal. One person that had an awful upbringing. One person that wanted to love themself more. That's just a vibrational effect that's going to affect so, so many people. I love that you brought that up and that's the truth that I feel.
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Jay: I could not agree more.
Jay: Even while you're just saying that, I just thought of something that I thought was kind of funny. You think about sneezing. What does it take to make someone sneeze? I'm a 200-pound individual. It only takes a speck of dust for me to straight up, drop what I'm doing, smash a glass on the floor, and sneeze in my hands. You know what I mean? It only takes two or three grains of sand to ruin your sandwich and destroy the picnic on the beach. So, the next person that tells me that I'm a speck of a dust, I'm going to put sand in their sandwich.
Harriet: [laughs]
Harriet: I think I'd just smash that glass.
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Harriet: Normally, I ask people about their time travel moments. You know, if they go back twenty years, what would they tell their old self?
Harriet: But I feel, for some reason, I've got this different question coming up from me, and I just love the vibration that we're on. What would you say are your top three proudest moments that you've experienced in your life?
Jay: My top three proudest moments.
Harriet: Yup!
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Jay: I think the first three that come to mind is when I was playing in that band again. We were on a radio competition, it was a local competition, and the grand prize for what was called the Emp Radio Rockstar Challenge at that time was $200,000. We had five guys who were on the same vibration, following the same energy, had the same amount of excitement and the same belief that were going to win.
Jay: We were the underdogs, and we came out from underneath, and we won that challenge. And that challenge provided us with funding and the confidence to do so many things and have so many amazing life experiences.
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Jay: Number two was, I think, I don't know why this comes to mind but; kissing my Dad on the cheek. Getting out of the car in high school. I have always been in a family that was very affectionate, and it was always – you know it's so not cool and so taboo to show affection like that in the public, especially for two essentially grown man to show affection that way.
Jay: I remember kissing my dad on the cheek, getting out, and walking across the grass towards the school, and seeing five of my friends being like; what is this guy doing? I remember thinking to myself; you guys are totally missing out.
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Jay: I think the third greatest moment in my life was winning the marshmallow challenge.
Harriet: Winning the marshmallow challenge?
Jay: Oh, yes! That is a test of stamina, strength, self-control, flexibility. I mean, I put a serious amount of marshmallows in my mouth.
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Harriet: That's awesome and it just shows [and] allows your personality to shine through, Jay, because being fun is so important in life. We've been all this serious in this podcast, we've gone a little bit deep into your history and your past and things that motivate you, but really? The funnest moment in life are when you're just being with your true self. You're being real and you're like; "Hey, I've got twenty marshmallows in my mouth, and said fluffy bunny, and it kind of sounded like something silly, but I did that because it brought me joy". And I love that.
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Harriet: The Naked Health Warriors Podcast is all about getting back to the basics, getting back to the essentials. Stripping bare of all this stuff that society is tells us. When it comes to real health – you see Jay, its different for every single human being so what does it mean to you; real health and why is it so important?
Jay: Real Health to me means feeling strong, feeling confident. Being able to touch your toes in the morning. Being able to keep up with your kids. Being able to go hiking and experience the things that nature's provided us. Being able to move our bodies, eat the things that we love and still have the results that we want.
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Harriet: Let's wrap up and head into the QuickFire Round.
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Harriet: What is your number one favorite movie?
Jay: Stepbrothers.
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Harriet: What is your favorite smell?
Jay: Lavender.
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Harriet: What is your favorite food?
Jay: Ice cream.
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Harriet: Who is your current hero?
Jay: Christian Hiscock.
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Harriet: What is the most effective thing that you do?
Jay: Brush my teeth every day.
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Harriet: What is your favorite technological piece of equipment, app, book, or training that you cannot live without?
Jay: Wireless headphones.
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Harriet: What is the health industry missing right now?
Jay: My website on the billboard.
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Harriet: What is the weirdest thing that you do.
Jay: Ahh, we can't go there.
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Harriet: What is the most powerful question that you ask yourself every day?
Jay: Back to the weirdest thing that I do? I eat everything with teaspoons, and I don't know why.
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Harriet: What is your favorite thing to feel?
Jay: Excitement
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Harriet: Last question. Who are the top three people that you believe and you can connect the Naked Health Warriors to that should be featured on this show.
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Jay: I believe that Colette Streicher should be featured in this show. She is the MAP coach, the founder of MAP, and she is the founder of manifesting all possibilities, and she has been absolutely phenomenal in my life. Honestly, I believe my father should be on this show. He's very, very successful in the direct sales industry and he has ingrained so many brilliant things in my life. And the third person I believe should be on this show; this a tough one.
Jay: Mark Eddie. He was my first manager in a gym that I ever trained at and to this day I still find myself texting that guy and say "Hey what you think about this, what do you think about that" The guy is just brilliant and functional and physical movement.
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Harriet: That was so cool. That was awesome, and I think that you brought some really powerful, just amazing metaphors.
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Harriet: So, Jay, I'm sure there is a message that you would love to leave to the listeners, but before we do that, I would love to share – there's going to be some people that are interested in finding out a little bit more about you.
Harriet: I know that you have a great newsletter. How can they find you? What's your website?
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Jay: The best way to reach me is my website which is www.jayrfit.com, or my Instagram, which is @jayrfit and lastly on Facebook, just like everyone else alive. It's Jay McDonald.
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Harriet: Is there any message that you would love to leave the listeners with so they kind of are able to take a little bit of you for the day.
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Jay: You mean more than you know.
Harriet: You mean more than you know. Care to entertain us with a little bit more?
Jay: It doesn't matter where you are right now in your health and fitness journey, it doesn't matter where you're going as long as you don't let a speed bump turn into a road block, you're going to get there, and where you are at right now is where you're supposed to be because you're the one you got yourself there. So take a moment, enjoy where you are, know that you're worth it, and take the next step forward.