This episode was recorded live at the Narrative Power Summit in New Orleans, Louisiana on May 9th, 2025.

In the episode, Cayden is first joined by colleagues at the summit, Program Specialist for ReFrame, Shaira Chaer and Creative and Brand Specialist at ReFrame, Ivie Osaghae. Narrative power is a crucial piece of the puzzle when it comes to the full picture of governing power. Governing power is more than just the task of winning elections: it’s about wielding that governing power to create structural change–and building a robust infrastructure to defend those changes until they can defend themselves. Coherent narrative power is a necessary component of winning and defending these structural changes.

Then to further discuss how some of these narrative strategies might look in practice, Cayden is joined by a panel of organizers discussing the narrative structures their work operates in and are looking to overcome.