Claire de Mézerville López welcomes Zeph Chang to the Restorative Works! Podcast.  Claire is joined by co-host, IIRP Director of Organizational Development Koury Cook. Join us as Zeph shares how debate can open minds, teaching students to understand multiple perspectives through "switch side debating," and how these experiences build emotional intelligence. He also reveals how restorative practices, such as holding circles for open dialogue, have become central to Lumos Debate's culture. The result? A more inclusive, empathetic environment that encourages everyone to be heard, respected, and seen. Koury highlights the challenges and importance of changing organizational culture, noting how Lumos' commitment to dialogue and non-hierarchical structures strengthens both their teams and their mission. Zeph reflects on the value of restorative frameworks in navigating conflicts and fostering authentic relationships, both within his organization and in the wider world. Zeph is a co-founder of Lumos Debate, an innovative education startup that teaches public speaking and debate skills to thousands of middle and high school students. Lumos's mission is to give kids the confidence to speak up and discover their voice. Zeph has over a decade of experience working in education as a teacher, coach, leader, and entrepreneur. He was featured on the Forbes 30 Under 30 for his work in education. He is currently studying at UC Berkeley.  Tune in to discover how debate and restorative practices come together to build the leaders of tomorrow, and how they can shape a more empathetic, communicative society.