In this conversation, Roger Jennings interviews Kevin Flores, co-author of the Design Career Handbook, focusing on the evolving landscape of design careers, particularly in instructional design and graphic design. They discuss the importance of building a compelling portfolio, the differences between instructional and graphic design, and the role of gamification in learning. Kevin shares insights on common portfolio mistakes, networking strategies for introverts, essential soft skills for designers, and how to prepare for interviews. They also touch on dealing with burnout and the significance of mentorship in career development.