L' Shawn shares her personal experience of losing a close friend, Angus. Eryn offers her knowledge of grief and loss discussing the complexities of grief and loss, including the concept of 'compounded loss' and 'ambiguous loss'. L'Shawn expresses her emotional struggle with the loss of Angus, as well as other losses, and the need to hold on to memories of Angus. The conversation ends with Eryn offering support and discussing the potential for grief to trigger judgment, the importance of self-compassion, and the different emotional pathways of grieving behavior.