British journalist Nelufar Hedayat survived bombs and mortars as a child in Kabul, Afghanistan, only to immerse herself back into a world of danger as an intrepid award-winning documentary filmmaker and correspondent. Her investigations have unraveled shocking illicit underground trade networks as well as exposed the unseen (and legal) global systems of commodity production. Nelufar's groundbreaking work has appeared on Netflix, the BBC, Fusion, and The Guardian.

In this wide-ranging episode, Wayne and Nelufar speak about the first time they met, under the cover of darkness, outside of one of the most violent places on earth; war, trauma, pain, and resilience; religion and meaning; immigrant childhoods, secret police, obsession, and MIT; and why The New York Times columnist Paul Krugman—Wayne's failed mentor—is dead wrong.

“It was absolute treachery of the soul—I felt like I was betraying myself”

“Every part of who I am as a person is screaming”

Nelufar’s Podcast - Course Correction

The Traffickers (Netflix) - Investigative series on illegal trafficking

Food Exposed (Fusion) - 8-part docu-series tracing the global food chain and the true cost of food

Doha Debates (YouTube) - Nelufar's interview with Yuval Noah Harari, author of Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind (2014) & Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow (2016)

Nelufar on Twitter

Chatterbox - Nelufar's sister's language learning company

Music by Moby: Everything That Rises