Neurodiversally Speaking

In today's episode, we're diving deep into neuro-affirming care, and trust us, it’s way more than just a buzzword! We'll break it all down for you and talk about the ethical practice of honoring neurodiverse individuals and the massive strides that fields like ABA and SLP have made over the years.

Throughout this episode, we'll be pulling from our own experiences as clinicians to shine a light on how our understanding of neurodiversity has evolved—and why it matters. We’ll be chatting about the importance of recognizing each individual’s unique communication style and the need for a shift from compliance-focused practices to fostering real connections. So whether you’re a parent, a pro, or just curious, tune in as we explore how to celebrate and support neurodiversity in all its wonderful forms!

Timestamps:

(01:21) - Welcome

(03:11) - Introduction to Neuro Affirming Care

(12:49) - The Shift from Medical to Social Models of Disability

(20:41) - The History and Ethics of ABA

(32:25) - Controversy and Ethical Concerns in ABA

(47:22) - Understanding Neuro-Affirming Practices

(50:35) - Shifting the Narrative in Assessment Practices

(01:01:28) - Shifting Perspectives in SLP

Articles Mentioned In This Episode:

• Breaux, C. A. (2024). Assent practices in applied behavior analysis: the correlation between self-reported changes in practices and continuing education related to assent (Doctoral dissertation, University of Missouri--Columbia).
• Ghaemmaghami, M., Ruppel, K., Cammilleri, A. P., Fiani, T., & Hanley, G. P. (2024). Toward Compassion in the Assessment and Treatment of Severe Problem Behavior. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 1-14.
• Gorycki, K. A., Ruppel, P. R., & Zane, T. (2020). Is long-term ABA therapy abusive: A response to Sandoval-Norton and Shkedy. Cogent Psychology, 7(1), 1823615.
• Kirby, M. S., Spencer, T. D., & Spiker, S. T. (2022). Humble behaviorism redux. Behavior and Social Issues, 31(1), 133-158.
• Lamoureux, G.; Tessier, A.; Finlay, S.; Verduyckt, I. Critical Perspectives in Speech-Language Therapy: Towards Inclusive and Empowering Language Practices. Disabilities 2024, 4, 1006–1018.
• Leadbitter, K., Buckle, K. L., Ellis, C., & Dekker, M. (2021). Autistic self-advocacy and the neurodiversity movement: Implications for autism early intervention research and practice. Frontiers in Psychology, 12, 635690.
• Kapp, S. K., Steward, R., Crane, L., Elliott, D., Elphick, C., Pellicano, E., & Russell, G. (2019). ‘People should be allowed to do what they like’: Autistic adults’ views and experiences of stimming. Autism, 23(7), 1782–1792. https://doi.org/10.1177/1362361319829628
• Mathur, S. K., Renz, E., & Tarbox, J. (2024). Affirming Neurodiversity within Applied Behavior Analysis. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 1-15.
• Sandoval-Norton, A. H., Shkedy, G., & Shkedy, D. (2019). How much compliance is too much compliance: Is long-term ABA therapy abuse?. Cogent Psychology, 6(1), 1641258.
• Veneziano, J., & Shea, S. (2023). They have a Voice; are we Listening?. Behavior analysis in practice, 16(1), 127-144.

Neuro-Affirming IG Pages We Love:

• ABA Visualized
• ABAspeechbyrose
• ThepsychobabbleBCBAs

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Today, we're diving into the world of SLP (Speech Language Pathology) and ABA (Applied Behaviour Analysis), where we believe that teamwork truly makes the dream work.

We'll be breaking down what SLP & ABA are and how these two fields can come together to create a more effective and holistic treatment approach. We’ll also tackle some misconceptions about both fields, sprinkle in some practical tips for parents and professionals, and explore how we can all work better together for the benefit of our clients and kiddos. So kick back, and let’s get our collab on!

Timestamps:

(02:41) - Introduction to ABA

(13:03) - Introductions to Speech Pathology

(22:55) - The Importance of Data

(30:39) - Scope of Practice vs. Scope of Competency

(35:40) - Barriers to Collaboration

(37:32) - Risks of Poor Collaboration

(44:22) - Practical Tips for Professionals

Our Favourite Journal Articles on Collaboration:

• Slim, L., & Reuter-Yuill, L. M. (2021). A Behavior-Analytic Perspective on Interprofessional Collaboration. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 14(4), 1238–1248. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-021-00602-7
• Bowman, K. S., Suarez, V. D., & Weiss, M. J. (2021). Standards for Interprofessional Collaboration in the Treatment of Individuals With Autism. Behaviour Analysis in Practice, 14 (4), 1–26. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-021-00560-0
• Brodhead, M. T. (2015). Maintaining Professional Relationships in an Interdisciplinary Setting: Strategies for Navigating Nonbehavioral Treatment Recommendations for Individuals with Autism. Behaviour Analysis in Practice, 8 (1), 70–78. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40617-015-0042-7

Blogs We Like:

• https://www.abainternational.org/constituents/practitioners/interprofessional-collaborative-practice.aspx
• https://asatonline.org/research-treatment/book-reviews/review-of-interprofessional-collaborative-practice/

Books We Recommend:

• Gerenser, J. E., & Koenig, M. (2019). ABA for SLPs: Interprofessional collaboration for autism support teams. Brookes Publishing.

Groups We Recommend:

• SPABA SIG https://www.facebook.com/SPABASIGofABAI
• SLP's Against Pseudoscience https://www.facebook.com/SLPsAgainstPseudoscience

Courses We Love:

EBIC Early Behavioural Intervention Curriculum, Francesca degli Espinosa, Ph.D. | BCBA-D | CPsychol. https://abaclinic.net/behaviour-analysis-courses/

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The inaugural episode of Neurodiversally Speaking! Get to know us, our backgrounds, and the life experiences that led us to start this podcast.

In this episode, we delve into our motivations for establishing this podcast, emphasizing our commitment to bridging the divide between research and practical application in the realms of autism and neurodiversity. Our discussions cover our vision of fostering collaboration among professionals and providing actionable insights for parents and clinicians alike. We aspire to offer pragmatic strategies that can be seamlessly integrated into daily routines, thereby enhancing the lives of neurodiverse individuals and their families.

Join us as we embark on this journey of exploration and learning, dedicated to cultivating a deeper understanding of neurodiversity and its implications in our professional practices.

Timestamps:

(01:09) - Welcome

(04:02) - SLP & ABA: Difficulties In Working Together

(05:28) - Need For Evidence-Based Discussions

(11:40) - What To Expect From This Podcast

(15:17) - What Inspired Us To Start

(22:17) - Bridging The Gap Between SLP & ABA

(28:37) - What Brought Us Together

(30:36) - What's Next For Us

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Join Brittany (SLP) & Shawna (BCBA) from Elemenoe as they dive into the world of neurodiversity. Each episode, they discuss insights, tips, and collaboration strategies for both parents & professionals alike, through the lens of their real-life experiences as mothers & clinicians.

New Episodes every other Monday!

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Have a question or a topic that you'd love to hear on the show? Get in touch with us at [email protected]