Jessie-Susannah Karnatz is a financial coach, tax preparer, and — her words — a priestess of the egregore of money. She's been tracking the conversation around tax resistance for years. When it went viral, her take surprised people: "A lot of y'all just don't want to do your taxes. And I knew that."

In Episode 002 of New Dimes Radio, host Berna Anat sits down with Jessie-Susannah to untangle the real conversation around financial activism. They dig into what tax resistance actually involves, why resistance energy is highly sacred and shouldn't be wasted, and how your individual money shadow work shows up — for better or worse — in organizing spaces. Plus: diversity of tactics, the risk slider, Sadaka, and why capitalism is a magic spell.

ABOUT JESSIE-SUSANNAH
Jessie-Susannah Karnatz (aka the Money Witch) runs a practice where tax preparation meets shadow work, and financial healing becomes an act of collective liberation. Drawing on nearly a decade as a tax preparer and bookkeeper, and the collected wisdom of her financial coaching, Jessie-Susannah brings capitalism-critical, shame-free education to healers, hustlers, and creatives who are ready to change how they move with money. She believes healing our finances brings blessings to our lives, our lineages, and our communities — and she does that work at every level, from the deeply practical to the deeply spiritual. Jessie-Susannah is the creator of Money Coven and Empress of Fortune, and the voice behind @money.witch on Instagram. Find everything at moneywitch.com.

LINKS + RESOURCES

• Jessie-Susannah's website: moneywitch.com
• Jessie-Susannah on Instagram: @money.witch
• Money Coven (group financial shadow work practice)
• Empress of Fortune (1-on-1 coaching container)
• War Resisters League (war tax resistance resources)
• Mutual Aid by Dean Spade
• New Dimes Radio Ep. 001: adrienne maree brown

ABOUT NEW DIMES RADIO

This episode of New Dimes Radio was produced by 8 of Stones. Executive Produced by Berna Anat and Renna Al-Yassini. This episode was mixed and sound-designed by Creative Kubo.

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• (00:00) - "Financial decisions made in a collective — there's protection there"

For 13 years, adrienne maree brown didn't pay her taxes — on principle. She was a war tax resister, writing letters to the IRS until the day her bank accounts were emptied (which she found out while trying to buy groceries). That's where this conversation starts. But it's also where it gets interesting.

In the first interview episode of New Dimes Radio, Renna Al-Yassini and Kristen Brillantes sit down with amb to talk about rebuilding financial stability, buying a property that she turned into a safe space for writers in her community, and what it means to be a "vector of resource" — someone through whom wealth can move and multiply, not just accumulate. They also get into inherited money beliefs, the politics of abundance, and Kristen's discovery of the concept of in vivo inheritance a.k.a. the wealth you transfer in your lifetime, not after.

ABOUT ADRIENNE
adrienne maree brown (she/they) is growing a garden of healing ideas. Informed by decades of movement facilitation, somatics, science fiction scholarship and doula work, adrienne has nurtured Emergent Strategy, Pleasure Activism, Radical Imagination and Loving Correction as ideas and practices for transformation. adrienne is the NYT-bestselling author/editor of several published texts, a ritual singer-songwriter, co-generator of the Lineages of Change Tarot Deck, and co-creator/host of How to Survive the End of the World podcast with Autumn Brown. adrienne’s latest book Loving Corrections is now available from AK Press.

LINKS + RESOURCES

• amb's website: adriennemareebrown.net
• amb on Instagram: @adriennemareebrown
• Pleasure Activism by adrienne maree brown
• Emergent Strategy by adrienne maree brown
• Grievers by adrienne maree brown
• How to Survive the End of the World podcast by adrienne maree brown and Autumn Brown
• "Composting Capitalism" essay in Women Talk Money
• Mutual Aid by Dean Spade
• Believe in You Money by Jessica Norwood

This episode of New Dimes Radio was produced by 8 of Stones and Philo's Future Media. Executive Produced by Kristen Brillantes, Renna Al-Yassini, and Keisha “TK” Dutes. Kristen Bennett is our producer. This episode was mixed and sound-designed by Erica Huang. 

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• (00:00) - Welcome to New Dimes Radio

This is our pre-inaugural episode—aka, our messy first attempt at a podcast. Think of it as an unfiltered love letter to starting before you’re “ready” and figuring it out as we go. Grab a front-row seat to our raw co-founder reflections about what it’s been like building the New Dimes Network just two months in bbs.

What is the New Dimes Network?

We help people build a wealth practice that supports you through all that comes with being a progressive first-generation breadwinner. From complex financial decisions to cycle breaking desires, our helps our members move with less hustle & grind and toward a life of gentle ambition.

What’s New Dimes Radio?

This podcast is our weekly(ish) co-founder couch chat where we’re breaking down the highs, lows, and laugh-until-you-cry moments of being first-gen breadwinners—and running a proudly independent, community-funded business in this economy. We’ll also be bringing on brilliant guests to help us unpack everything from financial systems to emotional baggage. Think of it as part group counseling, part guidebook, and definitely part party.

What’s in this episode?

• LOL-worthy memories from our first-gen holidays.
• How HOT TO GO! became our official soundtrack for first-gen struggles.
• Why Berna can’t handle The Devil Wears Prada and Kristen just can’t watch The Bear.
• A sneak peek into what we’ve got planned for our New Dimes Network members this January… like a special edition AMA featuring a Financial Therapist who specializes in Family Governance WHAT
• What’s been giving us Super Mario Magic Mushroom energy in our first two months of running the Network.
• And, a fair warning, lots of heavy breathing because Kristen is cosplaying as podcast editor and engineer. (Sorry in advance for the… auditory intimacy 😅)

Need the Big 3 Numbers Guide we talked about? Get it here.

Support our production fund

We’re scrappy, we’re self-taught, and we’re doing this thing off of hopes, dreams, and screams. But imagine how delicious this podcast could be with actual professionals behind the scenes. ✨ If you’re loving what you hear—or even just rooting for us—consider contributing to our production fund. Your support helps us hire a badass first-gen creative team, level up our storytelling, and make this podcast a sustainable part of our movement. Learn more and support us here.

Got questions?

Have a first-gen breadwinner question you want us to answer in a future episode? 👉 [email protected].

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• (00:41) - First-gen holiday memories