I had so much fun with my September “conversation turned podcast” with Owen Paepke about what younger generations have at stake with the 2024 presidential election, I couldn’t wait to do it again. This conversation with Owen follows up on his Substack post “If not Biden or Trump, then Who?”. Millions of Americans have expressed their desire to avoid a 2020 Presidential contest redo, seems fertile ground for a third party run by… somebody. In this conversation we discuss why we’re in the situation that we’re in and polish up the crystal ball for some future gazing at who that somebody might be.

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