Welcome to Next Steps Podcasts. Today, in collaboration with Owen Paepke, author of The Purple Presidency, we are interviewing Holly Page, cofounder and senior advisor for No Labels. We cover everything from No Labels’ recent letter to the Department of Justice regarding efforts by Democratic groups to suppress No Labels access to the ballot to what it means to “be brave” in today’s political climate. As the Trump v Biden presidential contest becomes increasingly likely, No Labels offers voters who would rather gargle glass shards than vote for either candidate a potential alternative. Holly has a wealth of experience in presidential politics and provides insight into the 2024 presidential race and the part that No Labels may play in it.

0:20:  Introductions

1:50: Attacks on No Labels

4:00 Vision of No Labels

5:40: Ross Perot/balanced budget

7:40 Ballot access focus of No Labels

10:00: Ballot access status

11:30: Law on 501c4 organizations

14:40: Changing perceptions of third parties

17:00: Incentives in DC

18:10; Broken system

20:20: Bringing House and Senate together

24:00: Immigration/progress

26:50: Organized No Labels opposition

29:00: Millennial voters

32:10: Keeping Unity Ticket on track

33:20: Perot candidacy

34:20: Trump and Biden risks

35:50: More on opposition

36:40: Perot candidacy: constructive outcome

39:50: “Be Brave” slogan meaning

41:00 Parallel to American Revolution

42:20: Turning vision into reality

44:40: Arithmetic of 3-way race

45:10: Persuadable voting segments

45:50: Vision of the opportunity

47:10: Final thoughts: responsibilities of citizenship

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I had so much fun with my September “conversation turned podcast” with Owen Paepke about what younger generations have at stake with the 2024 presidential election, I couldn’t wait to do it again. This conversation with Owen follows up on his Substack post “If not Biden or Trump, then Who?”. Millions of Americans have expressed their desire to avoid a 2020 Presidential contest redo, seems fertile ground for a third party run by… somebody. In this conversation we discuss why we’re in the situation that we’re in and polish up the crystal ball for some future gazing at who that somebody might be.

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My wife, Kathy, and I recently had the pleasure of hosting Linda and Owen Paepke for dinner at our house. While dinner was cooking, I ambushed Owen, asking him if I could interview him regarding his latest column on Substack, titled "Keeping America's Promise to Younger Generations". Out of this conversation comes the first of what will hopefully be many future Next Steps Podcasts. This is a conversation just like the millions that are occurring daily around America's dinner tables. And just like with those other conversations, in the background you hear others chatting and enjoying themselves as well.

 So welcome to this dinner time discussion between Owen Paepke and Tony Jones as we consider the Next Steps for our nation, especially in regard to ensuring a future for our younger generations.