Welcome to Next Steps Podcasts. Today, in collaboration with Owen Paepke, author of The Purple Presidency, we are interviewing Holly Page, cofounder and senior advisor for No Labels. We cover everything from No Labels’ recent letter to the Department of Justice regarding efforts by Democratic groups to suppress No Labels access to the ballot to what it means to “be brave” in today’s political climate. As the Trump v Biden presidential contest becomes increasingly likely, No Labels offers voters who would rather gargle glass shards than vote for either candidate a potential alternative. Holly has a wealth of experience in presidential politics and provides insight into the 2024 presidential race and the part that No Labels may play in it.

0:20:  Introductions

1:50: Attacks on No Labels

4:00 Vision of No Labels

5:40: Ross Perot/balanced budget

7:40 Ballot access focus of No Labels

10:00: Ballot access status

11:30: Law on 501c4 organizations

14:40: Changing perceptions of third parties

17:00: Incentives in DC

18:10; Broken system

20:20: Bringing House and Senate together

24:00: Immigration/progress

26:50: Organized No Labels opposition

29:00: Millennial voters

32:10: Keeping Unity Ticket on track

33:20: Perot candidacy

34:20: Trump and Biden risks

35:50: More on opposition

36:40: Perot candidacy: constructive outcome

39:50: “Be Brave” slogan meaning

41:00 Parallel to American Revolution

42:20: Turning vision into reality

44:40: Arithmetic of 3-way race

45:10: Persuadable voting segments

45:50: Vision of the opportunity

47:10: Final thoughts: responsibilities of citizenship

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