Zibby chats with journalist and author Nicole Madigan about her harrowing, compelling, and utterly enlightening book, TORN: Four Women’s Stories of Why They Left – or Why They Stayed, which explores the painful, confusing period of indecision after betrayal in a long-term relationship—when you’re caught between staying and leaving. Nicole shares her own experiences of love, loss, and resilience, as well as the deeply honest stories of four women who trusted her with their private struggles. Together, they discuss shame, secrecy, attachment, and what it means to navigate that limbo of not knowing what comes next.

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