Non-Billable Hours

What if doing better work didn’t mean doing more of it?

This week, we welcome Drew Amoroso, a former litigator who shifted from legal practice to coaching with his company Due Course, and chat about building a more intentional and sustainable work life.

Drew shares how workday design can help people make purposeful choices, rethink productivity, and create habits that last.

We discuss:

- lawyer wellbeing

- career changes

- the challenges of stepping away from a professional identity, and

- the gap between knowing what you need and putting it into practice.

Drew also explains his “first thought, second thought, first action” approach and how his company adopted a four-day workweek by focusing on priorities and reducing unnecessary work.

The conversation also explores making room for creativity—from Drew’s morning writing routine to DJing—and why a life should be about more than a job.

Find Drew & all of the amazing things he's doing here:

https://duecourse.coach/

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What if the traits law school rewards the least are the ones that make you exceptional?

Marcia Narine Weldon says the future of law belongs to lawyers who can think clearly, stay human, and build a life that is bigger than their title.

In this conversation, Odette talks with Marcia about the unexpected path that took her from fearing math to building a 34-year legal career across big law, in-house leadership, academia, consulting, and her own practice.

Marcia explains why she embraced business law despite once being anti-business, how a Harvard Law protester became the person employers and students now turn to for guidance, and why identity outside of work is not optional—it is strategic.

You’ll discover:

- Why Marcia believes lawyers should stop treating “I’m a lawyer” like a personality

- How acting lessons, speed reading, and improv can make you a stronger litigator

- The real reason she brought light work, breath work, meditation, and body-based tools into legal coaching

- How she helps lawyers, compliance leaders, and executives handle stress before it turns into burnout

- Why AI is useful as a sparring partner, but dangerous when lawyers don’t know the substance well enough to check it

Marcia Narine Weldon is a lawyer, educator, and founder of Illuminating Wisdom, where she blends legal strategy with wellness, leadership, and light work. She also works directly with AI models and engineers to help shape how the technology is used in legal practice. Perfect for anyone who wants to stay relevant, resilient, and fully human in a profession that is changing fast.

You can find her here: https://www.illuminatingwisdom.com/

Host Odette speaks with Paul Lo Presti, a former civil litigator turned mediator and arbitrator, about a 30+ year legal career. They discuss career transitions, the business of law, mentorship, the impact of virtual practice on training and mediation, and the importance of work–life balance.

Paul shares lessons from litigation, the value of preparation and respect, his shift into mediation, and how interests like running, golf, cooking and philanthropy kept him grounded while building a meaningful professional life.

The legal hiring system is rigged for similarity, not talent - and Dr. Hadiya Roderique, J.D./Ph.D. has lived (and studied) that reality. Odette sits down with Hadiya, a self-described recovering lawyer, journalist, Assistant Professor at the University of Toronto, and the writer behind the viral article, "Black on Bay Street". Hadiya reflects on when she realized the legal path she was on was not built for her, and why the hiring process she encountered felt less like meritocracy and more like a test of class, race, and belonging. You’ll discover:

💼 why OCI and in-firm interviews often reward “do I want to have a drink with this person?” over job-relevant skill

📰 how a single article turned into a searing personal essay about race, law, and survival 🚺 what it was like being the only Black woman in her firm

📚 why she left Bay Street, tried grad school, then found her way into writing, journalism, and teaching

👀 how sexism, racism, and parental expectations shape who gets to stay, advance, and be seen as “competent”

🏒 Hadiya's latest book/tv obsession (and future area of expertise?)

Dr. Hadiya Roderique and Odette talk candidly about ambition, burnout, the myth of the ideal worker, and why so many talented women are pushed to choose between a full life and a legal career.

Find Hadiya here: https://www.utsc.utoronto.ca/acm/hadiya-roderique/

Why do so many successful professionals feel like they are constantly achieving yet somehow missing out on life? In this episode, host and litigator Odette explores the hidden cost of modern productivity culture and the growing pressure to optimize every moment of our lives.

Drawing on her experience in the legal profession, Odette examines how the mindset that helps lawyers, entrepreneurs, and high-achieving professionals succeed at work can unintentionally diminish meaning, joy, and connection outside of it. From speed-listening to podcasts and audiobooks, to turning hobbies into side hustles, maximizing travel itineraries, tracking personal goals, and measuring every activity by its ROI, many of us have become conditioned to view life through the lens of efficiency and output.

In this episode, Odette argues that some of life’s most meaningful experiences are inherently inefficient. Long walks without a destination, reading fiction for pleasure, daydreaming, experiencing boredom, having unstructured conversations with friends and family, lingering, and simply being present in the moment often produce no measurable outcome - yet they are frequently the experiences that create our strongest memories and deepest sense of fulfillment.

Tune in to discover why not everything valuable can be measured, and how reclaiming inefficiency may be one of the most productive things you can do for your happiness, well-being, and overall quality of life.

What does running a 50-kilometre ultramarathon have to do with practicing law?

More than you might think.

In this solo episode, host Odette reflects on her experience completing her first ultramarathon and the surprising parallels between endurance running and building a legal career. While law school and the legal profession often reward speed, intensity, and constant achievement, both running and practicing law ultimately require something much more important: endurance.

Using lessons learned on the trail, Odette explores why success in law is less about sprinting and more about putting one foot in front of the other, day after day. She discusses the importance of pacing yourself, taking rest and recovery seriously, relying on support systems, navigating setbacks, and resisting the temptation to compare your journey to someone else's.

In this episode, you'll hear about:

• Why a legal career is an ultra marathon, not a sprint

Whether you're a law student, a junior associate, or a seasoned lawyer, this episode is a reminder that the goal isn't simply to survive the race. It's to build a career—and a life—that you can sustain, enjoy, and be proud of over the long haul.

Because in law, as in running, the journey matters just as much as the finish line.

Ever wonder why so many people become lawyers - even when they’re not passionate about practicing law?

In this episode of The Non-Billable Hours Podcast, I sit down with former entertainment lawyer and current creative entrepreneur Jordan Nahmias to talk about the path that led him into law, why practicing never felt right (even after an elite law school education and Big Law experience), and the turning point that changed everything:

Jordan opens up about:

This conversation is for anyone in law who’s questioning whether the life they built is actually the one they want.

Sometimes the career you thought you wanted is just the bridge to the one you were meant to create.

Find Jordan Here:

https://getunstuckconsulting.com/

What if family law didn’t leave people more broken than when they started—but actually helped them move forward?

I recently had a conversation with Mardi Chadwick-Balcom on the Non-Billable Hours Podcast that challenged a lot of assumptions about how we practice family law.

Mardi is a family law mediator, yoga instructor, and someone who is deeply rethinking how we approach conflict. We talked about what it looks like to integrate nervous system awareness, mindfulness, and somatic practices into legal work—not as extras, but as essential tools.

Because the reality is, traditional family law often escalates conflict. And much of that is driven by trauma and dysregulation—on all sides.

With 25 years in practice, Mardi brings a perspective that feels both grounded and forward-thinking.

In our conversation, we explored:

If you’re practicing in this space (or thinking about how the profession can evolve), this is a conversation worth listening to.

Find Mardi here:

https://www.integrativedivorcemediation.com/

Mindfulness, stress management, and practical tools to avoid burnout in a legal career

In this episode Odette interviews Claire E. Parsons, a practicing school lawyer, mindfulness teacher, and author of How to Be a Badass Lawyer. Claire shares how she began meditating one minute at a time during a stressful period after childbirth and how the practice helped her manage perfectionism, anxiety, and overthinking.

They discuss practical, lawyer-focused mindfulness: starting small, increasing practice gradually, the value of compassion and community, and using mindfulness to make better decisions rather than trying to solve anxiety with thinking. Claire also talks about her books (including a children’s book and a novel in progress), teaching, and tips for getting started.

Claire E. Parsons is a lawyer, mindfulness and meditation teacher, and author of How to Be a Badass Lawyer. She works in civil litigation, employment law, school law, and municipal law, and is actively involved in wellness initiatives for lawyers.

Find Claire here:

* Book: *How to Be a Badass Lawyer* https://www.amazon.ca/How-Badass-Lawyer-Development-Mindfulness/dp/B0BLR3JDQR//

* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/claireeparsons/

* Claire's Website & Blog: https://www.brilliantlegalmind.com/