In honor of the Fourth of July holiday, we’re bringing you this week’s podcast in two parts—and, fittingly, both are with the master of the swimsuit, Norma Kamali, who is also this year’s winner of the CFDA Geoffrey Beene Lifetime Achievement Award. “You can make a wedding gown, you can hand-sew a garment, but making a swimsuit is a whole other psychology,” Kamali says. “It’s so much more about what’s not covered than what’s covered.” One thing is for certain, we’ve got your answer to any beach day boredom covered, with the first installment of the series, here. So no matter where your travels may take you, tune in to part one today (check back for part two tomorrow), starting with the exclusive story behind those signature parachute skirts, dresses, and jumpsuits that quite literally helped Kamali’s career take off.

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