Jordan Thomas is a graduate researcher in anthropology at the University of California, Santa Barbara, whose work focuses on the cultural and historical forces that shape fire. He also works as a firefighter, spending increasingly long fire seasons laboring in the mountains alongside thousands of others, collectively battling some of the largest wildfires in human history. His recent piece in The Drift details the astonishing effort to save California from the ruinous results of centuries of environmental mismanagement. In this conversation, Thomas tells us why these fires have grown so large (hint: it's climate change), tells us about his research into the history of indigenous fire practices erased by imperialism, and provides perspective on the fierce ground battles waged by firefighters on the front lines of climate catastrophe.