Real Science Radio's Bob Enyart and Fred Williams conclude their fun list of the things, real things, that are not physical. Today the guys discuss the question that strikes fear in the heart of the materialist. "What if matter itself is not physical?" Leading physicists have been considering for decades now that matter may actually be  made of information! Of course, no atheist can even attempt to argue against the reality of non-material things without using non-material things, such as ideas and reason. Like Einstein said, ideas are not physical. It turns out to be so simple, to disprove the claim that only the physical realm exists. For, ideas exist! See also Part 1 (at rsr.org/things) and Part 2. And as mentioned in passing on today's program, see a claim against Richard Dawkins made in a BEL television segment in the 1990s that twenty years later was confirmed by Dawkin's himself. Hear the popular evolutionist in our video: Dawkins Proves Creationist Right!