Drake Cromer-Moore and Kevin Bruchert have a conversation with Joe Smith of Shift Church about being an ally to the LGBTQ+ community and their separate journeys towards becoming LGBTQ+ affirming pastors.

Kevin and Erin Bruchert look back on 20 years of marriage and ministry experience and talk through what they've learned.  There are many ups and downs managing expectations and relationships when you work at a church.  How do we pass on what we've learned?

Drummer, podcaster and marketer, Drew Allen stops by to chat with Kevin about his faith journey, the things he's experienced and learned from.   Then Drew and Kevin look forward honestly and constructively at Christianity.

Core Leader, Marco Thomas sits down with Kevin to talk about music, culture and the challenges facing church as we wrestle with the racial tensions of our time.

Our friend Drake Cromer-Moore, pastor of First Christian Church of Gainesville, shares with us about his journey as a queer pastor and how we can work together to make homes for those who feel disenfranchised from faith and church.

Kevin talks with Meizon Mission's administrator, Miranda West about what her journey as a woman, mom, wife and now ministry leader has been like and some of the issues women are facing in our world today.

Our first episode of Not Winning with our host, Kevin Bruchert.  Kevin explains a little bit about what the Meizon Mission is and how the Not Winning podcast came to be.