Paul, Jenn, and Ben talk with Dr. Stephen Rodgers, Edmund A. Cykler Chair in Music and Professor of Music Theory and Musicianship at the University of Oregon, about the keynote address he presented at this year's Texas Society for Music Theory's Annual Conference. In this illuminating conversion, Dr. Rodgers invites us to explore our own assumptions about the canon, whether it's the repertorial canon; our analytical canons, systems, and rules; or our own personal ways of engaging with music.