So like, Tony, like, returns to Note for Note so Michelle can have opportunity to discuss an album that meant something to her. In this episode the two discuss the how music can serve as a sanctuary from loneliness. They also get into James Mercer's lyrical style, how it's almost a puzzle in the composition, and how it's affected Michelle's own endeavors as as a lyricist. The conversation veers off into politics as well as the they discuss how for them politics is a tool for survival.