These 2 episodes go back to 2007, when I interviewed Nica Lalli, who wrote the book "Nothing: Something to Believe In." It's the story of a woman who makes her way from the traditions of her birth to an entirely secular life. I did enjoy this conversation. At the time we were having to deal with several of the "angry atheists" who were grabbing all the headlines. Nica doesn't crank, just shares what makes life meaningful for her. Theme music "Nigal."