Angie Browne welcomes back Dr Penny Rabiger to discuss how racism and whiteness show up in conferences and events in the education equity space, especially amid a post–George Floyd “snapback” where speaker lineups and audiences have become “lightened” again. Penny explains her role as an “elephant pointer,” the different costs of naming what’s obvious, and how she developed facilitation guides after repeatedly seeing the same harmful patterns. They explore event design beyond panels, including speaker care, pay, content coordination, audience curation, and practical inequities like toilet access. They critique performative, marketised “promoting anti-racism,” closed networks of repeat speakers and attendees, and deficit-ideology tropes. They argue for clearer intention, shared inquiry, constructive disruption, and better accountability for event dynamics.