In March of 2023, vice-Admiral Mark Norman, Canada's former vice Chief of the Defence Staff provided me exclusive access to his speech at the annual Conference of Defence Associations Institute. He said in part, "We are not taking defence and security seriously in this country and our way of life is in jeopardy as a result." - Today Admiral Norman joins us to respond to the former commander of Ukraine's military, General Zaluzhny stating World War III is underway. Poland's PM Donald Tusk warning global war is in the offing. Meanwhile, as the Americans accuse Canada of "freeloading" as far as defence spending per the NATO treaty/obligation is concerned, Defence Minister Bill Blair responds that Canada is on course to meet its defence commitments (years down the road).

 Guest: Mark Norman. Former vice-admiral and vice-Chief of the Defence Staff addresses both issues.

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