Host Brian Wesolowski first chats with Greg Nojeim on why CISA (the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act) is more surveillance than security, why all info-sharing isn't bad (put that hammer away!), how attribution makes cyber countermeasures dangerous, and more.

Then Erik Stallman joins to break down for us some copyright issues – particularly, how the latest example of "white hat" security research [driverless car crash, anyone?] designed to help us better understand and secure ourselves is technically breaking the law.

Attribution: sounds used from Psykophobia, Taira Komori,BenKoning, Zabuhailo, bloomypetal, guitarguy1985, bmusic92, and offthesky of freesound.org.