In this episode of Not to Forgive, but to Understand, Sabah Carrim speaks with Ben Mauk and Nyrola Elimä about their investigation published in The New York Times. The article, titled “The Long Road from Xinjiang” in print and “He Made a Daring Escape From China. Then His Real Troubles Began” online, explores the journey of Hasan Imam, a Uyghur refugee fleeing repression in Xinjiang. The discussion delves into Hasan's story and the broader implications of China's transnational oppression. Ben and Nyrola share insights from their years-long investigation, highlighting the extreme challenges Uyghurs face both within China and beyond its borders.