NZ Vegan Podcast

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This week I am very pleased to welcome back William Paul who tells us his latest good news and we discuss some experiences we have at with religious advocates while doing our street stall, and also I recount a couple of personal experiences I have had related to that.

Thanks for listening and thank you William for coming on the show!

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What are we afraid of? It's not like we are being arrested by the KGB:

BBC outlook: Belarus Free Theatre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus_Free_Theatre

And if people stopped doing violent things and stupid things we won't have to worry about anything like that, now would we? Please promote veganism!  Peacefully!

more to come....

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In part two of the interview we discuss single issue campaigns, in relation to the recent debate that Professor Francione took part in with Dario Ringach which was partly the inspiration of the blog essay:

Why Veganism Must Be the Baseline

which I recommend as a must read for all advocates.

We also discuss the latest Abolitionist Approach blog essay:

Nothing to Do with Science

in which the latest attempt at using the age old "plant question" is addressed.

Thank you, Professor Francione!

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This week it is my absolute pleasure to welcome back to the podcast Professor Gary L. Francione.

In part one of the interview we discuss his new book:

The Animal Rights Debate: Abolition or Regulation?

which was co-authored with  Robert Garner.

Enjoy and stay tuned for part two!

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Relevant links to this podcast:

Veganism as a Minimum Standard of Decency by Dan Cudahy from Unpopular Vegan Essays

The articles about the Vegan Society's advertising of non vegan establishments, inluding a pdf of a thread on facebook that was deleted after they shamefully deleted Gary Francione from the page:

http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/i-wonder-what-donald-watson-founder-of-the-vegan-society-would-think/

http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/its-not-1946/

http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/the-need-for-a-vegan-society/

http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/media/pdf/why-are-non-vegan-restaurants-advertised-in-the-vegan.pdf

The article on John Robbins I mentioned, by Mylène Ouellet:

http://my-face-is-on-fire.blogspot.com/2010/07/animal-advocacy-leaders-hall-of-fail.html

And finally, a response to the latest claims by welfare advocates pointing to the same study each time it seems:

http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/science-weighs-in-animal-welfare-reform-is-useless/

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This week I am very pleased to have as my special guest Niilo Van Steinburg who is the founder and one of the directors of the very successful abolitionist vegan university group at the University of Victoria, Canada, the UVic Vegan Association.

If you live in British Columbia you can subscribe to the UVic Vegan Association by emailing them at:

You can also join their facebook fan page at: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=11596410542

Also check out Niilo's blog Seeking Non-Specisism from where he will be soon producing his very own abolitionist vegan podcast!!!  We can't wait to hear it!

The forum we mentioned is http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/forum/ where you can find Niilo's "abolitionist mom" Joe and other great advocates, discussing abolitionist veganism and all kinds of other things.

Thanks for coming on the show Niilo!

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A thought for the future; not knowing is a wiser way to live in a lot of ways.

Those who say, do not know; those who know, do not say. ~ Lao Tzu

And don't be overwhelmed by those darn animal product use diagrams making the rounds, you know the ones I mean, they are very "popular" amongst poverty of ambition advocates as another excuse for despairing!  Let them spur you on to be even more active and even more determined.

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Here is the article of the interview with Gary Francione that I mentioned: http://www.free.org.il/english/articles/gary.html

(What he says is about "passivity" and exactly is not necessarily what I paraphrased, but it certainly made me understand that the "pacifist" claim made against us is trying to insinuate "passivity" and that is not true).

Here is another quote from Gary Francione about this subject:

"Those who claim that the abolitionist approach [to animal rights] advises inactivity misunderstand that the idea is to engage in *effective* advocacy rather than in wheel-spinning and counterproductive activity that generates donations and bequests for large groups."

Here is the article by Randy Sandberg on his Vegans for Peace website that I mentioned:

http://vegansforpeace.org/2010/03/13/why-are-you-a-vegetarian/

Here is the article by Emmy James that I mentioned:

Facebook link (you will probably only be able to see it if you are a facebook contact of Emmy's)

Here is the quote by Mylène Ouellet that I mentioned:

http://quotesonslavery.org/whats-hard-about-veganism-isnt-being-vegan/

Here is the must read article Why Veganism by Eva Batt:

http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/text/why-veganism-by-eva-batt/

Also available HERE

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This week I speak with William Paul my fellow abolitionist street staller and vegan advocate from Auckland.  We discuss the NZ Vegetarian Society Festival that was held in October, our future plans for advocacy and we also discuss the Auckland Abolitionist Vegans Association, which we will be launching soon!

Congratulations to Jordan Wyatt from Coexisting with Nonhuman Animals for creating the Invercargill Vegan Society!

Become a member if you live nearby, or become an honorary member by going to this blog entry and leaving a comment:

http://coexistingwithnonhumananimals.blogspot.com/2010/12/invercargill-vegan-society-business.html