There’s no shortage of diagnosis of what went wrong with the social web, most of it on the social web. It’s a familiar space for writer, speaker, and researcher Erin Kissane, who’s spent a career with a sharp eye and an indefatigable resolve doing what she fully admits isn’t really anyone’s job.
Sorting out the why we’re building new apps, networks, and protocols is just as important as the how, and Erin is a steady guide. In this wonderfully wide-ranging conversation, she and Jim work through familiar arcs of technology with some important takeaways for a new generation of network builders.
Erin Kissane’s research studio, wreckage/salvage“Meta in Myanmar”, Erin’s multi-part series on Facebook and the Rohingya genocideUnflooding the zone with the Unbreaking ProjectThe Covid tracking projectErin’s talk at XOXO about not retreating from the big-world social internet“Against the Dark Forest” further explores some of the ideas from her XOXO talkErin’s Fediverse governance project (co-authored with Darius Kazemi), which we didn’t even have a chance to get into“People in Platforms” Erin’s 2025 Atmosphere Conf talk“Landslide / Holdfast” Erin’s 2026 Atmosphere Conf talkPeople and ideas referenced
Twitter and Tear Gas by Zeynep TufekciJohn Perry Barlow’s “A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace”“The street finds its own use for things” from William Gibson’s Burning ChromeKaren Hao’s work with whistleblower Sophie ZhangAmnesty International: “Facebook’s systems promoted violence against Rohingya; Meta owes reparations”UN Human Rights Council’s independent international fact-finding mission on MyanmarC. Thi Nguyen’s Hostile EpistemologyVices of the Mind by Quassim CassamThe Engine RoomYancy Strickler’s Dark Forest Theory collection of posts“The Dark Forest and the Cozy Web” by Maggie AppletonBonfire networksListen and read more at atproto.com/off-protocol/2026-07-22-erin-kissane