Off The Charts

How do you turn a 70s novelty hit into a 40-year NPR legacy? Larry Groce is the ultimate "Serial Creator."

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From the Top 10 success of "Junk Food Junkie" to founding the institution that is Mountain Stage, Larry has navigated the music industry on his own terms. In this episode, we discuss why he walked away from the LA "hit machine" for West Virginia, and how he has sustained a creative fire for over 50 years.

⏱️ Chapters

00:00:00 - Start

00:01:44 - Inspiration and instinct

00:05:38 - Hit economy vs. DIY

00:11:14 - Mass appeal vs. unique voices

00:19:27 - Waiting to be discovered

00:26:21 - Creating Mountain Stage

00:33:14 - Being an organizer and an artist

00:40:27 - Marietta the Musical - One Vote

00:57:03 - Not getting discouraged

00:58:10 - Keeping the well from running dry

01:02:56 - West Virginia

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1. The "Blue Suede Shoes" tragedy and the car crash that changed history.
2. Carl's ability to laugh at career dips and industry trends.

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They say never meet your heroes — and that may be true more often than not. But a surprise encounter I had with Stevie Wonder left a mark I’ve never forgotten. It didn’t happen in a glamorous setting, and I was just a 21-year-old musician with no claim to fame. Yet this musical icon imparted something that remains a check and a reminder to this day.

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Cellist Cara Fox and her recording-engineer husband, Jared, have built something rare in today’s music world—a true one-stop shop for artists who want the sound of a real string section on their records.

From their Nashville studio, Fox Den Strings arranges, records, and delivers living, breathing string parts for artists around the globe. Whether it’s pop, country, classical, or folk, Cara and Jared blend top-tier musicianship with expert engineering to make world-class strings accessible to creators from Nashville to Tokyo.

In this conversation, Cara—an in-demand cellist, mother, and partner—shares how she and Jared navigate their creative roles, their marriage, and the day-to-day realities of raising two young boys. It’s a thoughtful look at sustaining artistry and family, one project at a time.

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One Grammy Song of the Year, ten Tony Award nominations, and over two hundred recorded songs by artists we all know and love.

But underneath Songwriter Hall of Fame member Wayne Kirkpatrick’s impressive résumé is a mindset that’s a true masterclass in long-haul creativity. In this episode, Wayne gives us a peek under the hood at the values and habits that have kept his songwriter engine running for decades.

What’s especially compelling is how he deals with obstacles. Like water, Wayne finds ways to flow around what might stop other creatives in their tracks.

This re-release of Part One is the beginning of a rich, two-part conversation that feels like sitting in on a masterclass—not just in songwriting, but in the creative life itself.

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• Chapters

00:00 - Intro

02:06 - How did you get into music?

12:28 - 70’s singer songwriters

20:27 - Personal vs commercial

27:56 - Change The World

41:14 - How do you cowrite?

46:37 - Music or lyrics first?

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Eric Fortaleza moved to Nashville from Sydney Australia. Instead of waiting for his big break, he built a live showcase for songwriters and musicians which has already become legendary.

Every Tuesday night at Analog in the Hutton Hotel, rising songwriters take the stage with the world-class Pitch Meeting band bringing their songs to life. It’s Nashville’s first real “songwriter pitch night,” where a songwriter’s vision meets some of the town’s finest musicianship.

Eric's story is a testament to a bias of action, a musician with an entrepreneurial bent who builds things rather than waiting for something to magically happen.

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Wayne Kirkpatrick transitioned from writing songs to writing musicals. His first, Something Rotten, became a Broadway hit nominated for ten Tony Awards, co-written with his brother Karey. Next came Mrs. Doubtfire, which played on Broadway before transferring to London's West End.

Along with his musicals, Wayne has earned a Grammy Song of the Year Award for Eric Clapton and Babyface's recording of "Change the World," and his songs have been recorded by over two hundred artists. We explore the mindset behind such lofty achievements and what has kept Wayne's creativity so vital and enduring.

From a Grammy Song of the Year to ten Tony Award nominations, Wayne Kirkpatrick embodies creativity.

A Hall of Fame songwriter with more than two hundred recorded songs — and a hit Broadway composer — Wayne’s résumé is long and deeply impressive.

In this episode, we look under the hood at what makes this lifelong creator so consistently inspired and productive. It’s clear that for Wayne, creativity isn’t just an occupation — it’s a way of life.

Nashville session players set the gold standard in musicianship, and bassist Tim Denbo is no exception.

In this episode, Tim unpacks the tools of his trade—from the Nashville Number System to classical notation—and reveals how he brings precision and artistry to every session, whether it's country, pop, or a Hollywood soundtrack. This is a deep dive into Nashville's elite recording world with a world-class musician who lives it every day.

Mo Tedder's co-songwriting sessions are not the norm. Her co-writers are trauma survivors.

Mo brings together her professional songwriting and therapy skills to write songs with people healing from trauma. Whether it's a room of two or fifty, she combines the insight of a therapist with the heart of a songwriter to give voice to her co-writers' life experiences. Will the songs win Grammys or top the charts? Maybe, maybe not. But the purpose and meaning behind these works of art are off the charts.