Hot Ohio State football talk is back for another Monday on Around the Shoe. What lessons can the Buckeyes learn from early losses by Clemson and Notre Dame? How would you change your Big Ten Championship Game picks? What's the best call for Ohio State on fourth-and-goal from the 2? Will a MAC team ever make the College Football Playoff? Does anyone care about a media member's alma mater? On this episode, Bill Landis and Doug Lesmerises of The Bill and Doug Show are joined by two more great guests: Andrew Gillis of cleveland.com and Bill Bender of The Sporting News. Thanks for checking out Around the Shoe. Find us every Monday on The Bill and Doug Show.

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