"They are really poignant images and they really sort of resonated humanity, and because I didn't know the author, I didn't know the intent or anything, in some ways that allowed me to kind of engage with them. Because I didn't feel like I was being manipulated, I was in control their meaning in some ways." -Oliver Wasow "Since the election, the sort of two dominating emotions for me have been rage and tenderness…This range of photographs in Oliver's work…encompassed this sense." -Mark Alice Durant This episode comes from a live audience show at the Big Room in conjunction with the School of Visual Arts MFA Photo, Video, and Related Media Program and Saint Lucy Books. I sat down with Oliver Wasow and Mark Alice Durant of Saint Lucy to talk about Oliver's book, Friends, Enemies, and Strangers published by Saint Lucy Books. We talk about publishing books, the history of portraiture, the context of images, and how this project was a reaction to the ascendancy of the Trump family to the American presidency. This episode sponsored by the School of Visual Arts MFA Photography, Video, & Related Media - Charles Traub, Chair. http://www.mfaphoto.sva.edu/ Visit realphotoshow.com @realphotoshow on Twitter/IG/FB