Shaina Loew-Banayan, chef and owner of Cafe Mutton and author of Elegy for An Appetite, in conversation with Julia Turshen.

Follow-up links:

• For more about Shaina's book Elegy for an Appetite, head here.
• For the New Yorker review of Elegy for an Appetite, head here.
• For more about Cafe Mutton, head here and follow them on IG here.
• To sign up for Julia's newsletter, head here.